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Pat
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Bird ID Help, please.
      06/04/06 11:15 AM

We have several bird books but the best we have are specially made for Oklahoma. The bird we can't ID may be an uncommom visitor but I think I saw an example nesting in the grass on or near the ground. I did NOT investigate as I didn't want to disturb them.

I have seen the bird in question on the ground beneath both of our back yard feeding stations (two feeders per station.) It doesn't seem to be interested in the seed feeders but does eat seed from the ground.

The bird is smaller than an eastern bluebird and larger than an American goldfinch, maybe slightly smaller than a tufted titmouse. It is beautiful blue on its back and bright orangey red on the belly. In flight in the sun the blue back is iridescent and amazingly BLUE. The red-orange breast is far more colorful than a robin or an eastern bluebird but its breast/belly is not the red of a redheaded woodpecker as it has a tinge of orange in the red.

Sorry, no pix. I almost got pix of the painted buntings but my wifes bino-cam has separate focus on the cam part and I didn't so only got colored blurs. (*%&$ 7654*&$(*%

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/04/06 07:57 PM

Can't help directly, Pat, but here are a couple of sites that might help:

http://www.whatbird.com/

http://www.wildbirds.com/Identify.htm

http://www.enature.com/home/




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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/05/06 08:43 AM

Is this one a possibility?

You ARE a redneck if... you knew someone whose last words were "Hey y'all, watch this!"

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Michael]
      06/06/06 08:04 AM

Michael, As I mentioned in my post, we have eastern bluebirds, We have them but the bird in question isn't one. The X-Bird is smaller and slimmer than a bluebird and has a much more vivid red-orange belly. I'm not sure but don't think an eastern bluebird woudl nest on the ground when there are so many alternatives. Last spring I had a nest of them in my tractor shed (open to the south.)

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: BlueRidge]
      06/06/06 08:58 AM

Blue, Nice sites! Thanks for posting. I will certainly revisit those. Unfortunatley I tried to find the X-Bird using the facilities at those sites and failed. In all cases my search parameters yielded a bird or birds with which I am familiar BUT that was definitely NOT the X-Bird.

Still, I'm sure I'll get use out of at least two of the three sites. One of them is much less convenient but I used it anyway hoping to find the X-Bird.

Red-orange on the belly/breast and blue on the back fits several birds common to my area but none would be mistaken for the X-Bird due to size, exact distribution of color, or "other." Barn swallow, belted kingfisher, painted and other buntings, and the like are what I found in the searches but none are really very close.

I'd hate to do what Audubon himself would have done to ID the bird for sure.

NOTE to bird lovers: Charley Audubon shot the birds he painted in order to be able to examine them closely. This is a facet of the "GREAT NATURALIST" that is not prominently disclosed.

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Edited by Pat (06/06/06 09:05 AM)

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/06/06 10:41 AM


Pat, perhaps a trip to area 51 may be in order to locate the x-bird.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/06/06 02:07 PM

Sorry, I missed that in the post.

You ARE a redneck if... you knew someone whose last words were "Hey y'all, watch this!"

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/06/06 03:42 PM

Egon, Although "The truth is out there" you can "trust no one", least of all the folks at area 51. Although previously deeply involved with a famous blackbird and various black birds they aren't particularly "into" Blue and red-orange birds.

Though accused of "harboring" some "visitors", in general their welcome mat has ben retired as regards the lay public.

I have been near this and similar environs many times and have an appreciation for just how unlikely the habitat is for the bird in question.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/06/06 04:12 PM


Darned; no area 51 tour!

I beleive you have had some very warm weather and strong winds this past year. Perhaps a book depicting Birds found farther south or even offshore may be in order.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/06/06 04:31 PM


As an aside; do you think a composite material glider would be able to successfully complete a midnight landing on Groom Lake?

Egon

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/07/06 08:04 AM

Egon, I read your response and am thinking: it was a LONG winter up there in your parts this year, wasn't it?

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/07/06 09:24 PM

Egon, I am familiar with the concept of birds getting blown to unexpected areas by storms and other such reasons. In using the web sites offered to me here I did not narrow the search parameters to only my geographic area. Still no luck, yet.

I compared mental notes with my wife just to be sure I hadn't been demonstarting some "EYE WITNESS ERROR" phenomenon. She tracked with me regarding her independent sightings.

Slim small bird larger than an American goldfinch or a house finch but smaller than a cardinal or even a tufted titmouse. Brilliant blue on the back (especially with a good sun angle) and a full underside of red-orange. No large areas of the bird are any other colors like the eastern blubird, barn swallow or any of the other "suggestions" so far as was visible in our sightings.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: JazzDad]
      06/08/06 05:03 AM


And now it's a long cold spring! Our "Rain Showers" for today are in the form of hoizontal rain pellets and wind howling in the eves.

But we be hardy folk of good yoeman stock and will survive!

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/08/06 08:09 PM

Egon, You may even do as well as those of good yeoman stock.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/09/06 02:51 PM

Could it be an Indigo Bunting Pat? We had one at our feeder the other day but it flew before I could get a picture. Very deep, irridescent blue in color. I don't recall the underside but I thought it was blue as well.

We have bluebirds too. They do have the rusty colored underside but not nearly as vibrant a blue as the bunting.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: RobS]
      06/09/06 06:13 PM Attachment

Here's a pic of an Eastern Bluebird that dropped by our feeder this evening. I saw an Indigo Bunting but he wouldn't cooperate for my camera. No rust color on the bunting for sure.



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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: RobS]
      06/10/06 09:40 AM

Rob, I'm 'fraid not. The Indigo Bunting is a beautiful bird but you are right about the blue underneath (male bird, female is brown.) The X-Bird is bright red-orange underneath, not red like a red headed woodpecker but really bright red with some orange cast to it.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/10/06 06:52 PM Attachment

Pat, any chances it might have been a disoriented (read "lost" Western Bluebird???

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/10/06 08:32 PM Attachment

I did finally get the Indigo Bunting, attached.

Could the elusive x-bird be a barn swallow? Northern Parula (a warbler), Blue Grosbeak, Lazuli Bunting (western version of Indigo), Painted Bunting, or ??? I just went through my bird book and that's all I could come up with

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/11/06 12:45 PM

It could be a mud swallow, bit I am not sure how much they eat seed, ususally getting bugs on the wing. It is bright blue on the back with orange breast here in NJ

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: NSbound]
      06/11/06 02:42 PM

NS, It is possible if it was a mutant or someone had died its belly bright red-orange. Punk bluebird? The western bluebirds I have seen do NOT have bull bright red-orange on the breast. The X-Bird has as much of its breast colored as a robin but the color is much brighter/more saturated.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: RobS]
      06/11/06 02:52 PM

Rob, Sorry, all those and more were suggested by the previously posted web sites but none are close. We have two barn swallow nests at our house now and although they are very pretty birds they arren't close to the coloration of the X-Bird.

The X-Bird is virtually all blue on the back and red-orange on the front, eats seeds but doesn't perch on the feeder, eats seed scattered on the ground under the feeders. Swallows eat bugs.

We also have painted buntings (which I have named SHERBERT BIRDS due to their coloration) but their coloration is not remotely similar to the X-Bird. The X-Bird has no large green patches like the sherbert bird.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: jross]
      06/11/06 03:06 PM

Jack, I call them feathered mud daubers. Pretty birds. They have a distinctive deep V'd tail which distinguishes them easily in flight as well as a very easily recognized flight characteristic and they have a wide (better to catch bugs with my dear) based beak.

The X-Bird doesn't have a deep V tail or a wide base beak and eats seeds instead of bugs. I know in bird ID that close doesn't count but if I were awarding points on general appearance the barn swallow would be the closest in size and appearance of what we have aroud here even though it is easily disqualified for several reasons.

Both my wife and I saw the X-Bird several times, independently and when we compared notes there were no points of dissagreement.

I have never seen a barn swallow nest on the ground or spend much time there. The only time I have seen them "at the surface" has been at a pond getting mud or skiming low over a pond "snatching" water from the surface.

The bird ID software on some of the sites even suggested the belted kingfisher which is like confusing a C-5A with a J-3 Cub.

The X-Bird doesn't just have "some" red-orange on the underside/belly/breast IT IS ALL BRIGHT RED-ORANGE over a large portion like the robin but much much brighter.





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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/11/06 08:20 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking mutant as well. The colorations you describe could be a hormonally raged bluebird trying his best to attract a mate but the eating habits are odd. Bluebirds will most definitely perch and ours have never eaten off the ground. Maybe the same hormones have the little guys diet wacked out?



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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/12/06 09:15 AM

The belly colour is typically not as you described, but how about a scrub jay?


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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: RobS]
      06/12/06 01:39 PM

Rob, Either that or it could be all those atomic tests! We saw a Ladder backed Woodpecker at the feeder today. Where most birds gently and gingerly reach into a small hole in the feeder and extract seeds gently... the ladder back pecked away it the feeder hole like he was drilling into a tree trunk to bet a bug. Cute littel dude.

Saw another painted bunting feeding on the ground today under one of the feeders. My wife always scatters seed on the ground for our little friends who prefer that to perching. As a result one of the several back yard bunnies feeds beneath the one feeder too. He likes his seeds.

Havent seen an X-Bird for a few days now.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: JazzDad]
      06/12/06 01:49 PM

Jazz, Sorry dude but way out of spec. Not even a hint of red-orange and way bigger. The X-Bird is probably about the size of or a little smaller than a tufted titmouse.

A hoax might be fun. Just before the annual bird census you could bait and net a huge supply of basically light collored non-descript birds and air brush them with non-toxic colors and release them. It might not reach the levels of publicity that the fakers of crop circles have but still would likely make the 6PM news.

P.S. The X-Bird , to the best of my belief is NOT a hoax, at least as far as we know.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/12/06 02:38 PM Attachment

In reply to:

My wife always scatters seed on the ground for our little friends who prefer that to perching.




I've never had to scatter any on the ground myself. The birds scratch enough out that I sometimes use a rake to scatter the pile under the feeder.

And Pat, I've got a bird problem and identifying the little sucker is only part of the problem. For several months now, it seems a bird (or birds) are roosting at the top of our front door. My wife has not been happy about the bird manure on the door handle, on the glass, and on the carpet in front of the door. And now it appears that it (or they) are building a nest. And neither of us has ever seen a bird in that entryway until a few minutes ago as I was going out to take the attached picture. I only got a quick glimpse of what "appeared" to be a very small, black bird with long, narrow wings. It was incoming, so I quickly went out another way and went around the house to see if I could get another look at it and it was already gone. Now that "ledge" at the top of the door is barely one inch wide including the quarter round across the top. I don't see how anything more than a mud dauber could build a nest there.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 02:39 PM Attachment

And my wife says she just cleaned the carpet in front of the door yesterday. And already . . ..

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 03:16 PM

Bird, It looks like the beginnings on a barn swallow nest to me. I call them feathered mud daubers. They are very persistent. You need to breeak up their nesting atempt and maybe wash the mud off at least every few days (couple times a week.) If y don't stop the nesting then you'll have a clutch of eggs hatching into more feathered mud daubers with their in-born GPS zeroed in on your house and they will accurately return to raise their families there.

I would hate to have to hurt them so constant vigilance and nest destruction is the only proactive approach I know. Just know they are very persistent and will keep you busy knocking down and washing away the starts of their nest. The good news is that if you prevent their successful nesting yo have deterred a new generation that wiold be programmed to return to your house year after year.

They are beautiful birds and super agile flyers that eat prodigious quantities of bugs B U T I can't handle the mud and guano so I have a length of 2x2 to break up their nesting attempts. Don't let them nest in more inconspicuous places on or your house as the young will be programmed to return to your house and may not choose an inconspicuous location next year.

Again, I love them but decry their making such a mess. If only the'd nest somewhere else I'd be happy since I love to watch their arial antics.

In flight one of the unmistakable characteristics is a deeply V'd tail which conclusively ID's them as Barn Swallows.

I suggest that knocking down the nests regulary prior to completion and egg laying is the best humane approach.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 03:55 PM Attachment


Cheer up Bird; if they are barn swallows they can have multiple batches of young in a year. The nest can be stuck to almost anything.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/12/06 04:06 PM

Yeah, Pat & Egon, I was just telling my wife I wondered if that was what they are; don't know of any other birds that build that way. And I've never seen them in the past in town, and not even where we lived in the country. However, they were always thick on the cliffs at Lake Whitney and building under the bridges on the Brazos River above Whitney. And yes, I plan to clean it up in the morning while it's cool and will probably do it at least every other day, if not every day.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 09:39 PM Attachment

I finally did something I should have thought of long ago. A few minutes ago, I went out through the garage and around to the front door where it's pitch dark; couldn't see a thing until I turned my flashlight on and then I got close enough I could have caught one of the little birds. So I came back in, put the flashlight up and got my camera and went back. Naturally, I couldn't see to tell where I was aiming or how close until the flash lit it up. Obviously the flash works well on this old camera even in total darkness. Too bad I didn't zoom in closer.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 09:51 PM Attachment

I was thinking a little slow tonight. I just thought of a way to get a better picture, and did.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/12/06 10:21 PM

Bird, Definitely barn swallows, AKA feathered mud daubers! Stay after the little cuties or you will have a much much bigger problem next year.

To bad you can't send them to Capistrano!

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/13/06 05:58 AM

Pat, I also learned yesterday evening that the neighbor two door north of us has been chasing them away from his front door; don't know if it's the same ones and he just chased them down here or if there's more of them around. And would you believe, in spite of her complaints about the mess, my wife didn't want me to disturb them last night. She wanted me to wait until today to clean up the mess and hope they find another roost during the daylight.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: JazzDad]
      06/14/06 01:47 PM


web page


Pat:

The opening page of this website shows a bird of Central America that seems close to the X Bird.I did not explore any farther.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: egon]
      06/14/06 01:56 PM Attachment


Got the bigger picture.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/15/06 12:12 AM

Bird, if you temporarily hang an obstruction to interfere with them you could save yourself a lot of effort.

Ultrasonics work well too but obstructions are cheaper and easier.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Pat]
      06/15/06 06:16 AM

Pat, day before yesterday, I washed everything down good with a garden hose and a brush; couldn't decide on a "good" obstruction, but had a piece of a 1 x 2 that I laid up there on edge. That night, I went to bed before dark, but my wife said she went out and chased the birds off with a flyswatter just after dark and then left the porch light on all night. I got up at 4 o'clock yesterday morning and I checked several times last night and this morning and apparently they didn't try to return yesterday or last night even though the lights were off.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/15/06 04:22 PM

Hey Bird, don't get too proud of your handiwork until you go around and look at the BACK door.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/15/06 04:39 PM

Hey Bird, Send her up with her swatter!

Nothing succeeds like success!!!

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: JazzDad]
      06/15/06 05:25 PM

Bret, I don't think I have to worry about the back door. My wife's Chihuahua is worse than any kid about wanting to go in and out the back door all day, so there should always be enough activity there to keep the birds scared off.

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Re: Bird ID Help, please. new [re: Bird]
      06/20/06 01:34 PM

Thanks to everyone who offered help and or suggestions regarding the identity of the X-Bird.

My wife and I huddled on this and concede that there are various possibilities and alternate explanations. One that is a strong candidate is the painted bunting. It is about the right size and is often in tall grass under the feeders. In the grass in dappled sun and shade under the edge of a pecan tree the green and yellow blend with the grass and seem to dissapear leaving what looks like a red breasted blue backed bird.

I am down to these two alternatives: 1. there is bird as of yet unidentified, likely an escaped exotic or refugee from some storm or whatever not normall seen anywhere near her or 2. somethig like the painted bunting story above lead us astray. Most s