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Sorry I don't have pix to share on this sighting... A few minutes after I left the hosue this AM my wife spied a large kitty on a pond dam in our "extended" back yard. It is about 400 ft from our back porch so her perception of size might not be too accurate. She is quite familiar with the breed and had seen one of them before when we were back packing. That sighting was at a distance of about 75 ft.
She thinks this one was a juvenile and not of full grown size but from her description, I'm not sure it wasn't an adult.
They are known by various names: Panther, Cougar, Mountain Lion, whatever.
I bought some target ammo for her .357 Mag S&W 5 shot hammerless revolver today. We will be having some remedial "point and shoot" training for her. I bought hard ball .38 for practice (economical.) Standard load for concealed carry (or back yard protection) is extra high velocity jacketed soft nose or hollow points and too expensive for a "few" hundred rounds of training. Of course I picked up similar for my .45ACP (well, I do have to set a good example, don't I?)
When she saw it she grabbed the 7X50 Nikons for a closer look. I wish she had grabed her digicam instead.
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Too bad there are no photos! My wife also is trained to use a 357... she guards the farm with it when I'm away on business (playing in the big cat box). What is a hammerless revolver? Wouldn't mind seeing a pic of that.
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MarineJAG Here's a link to a Model 360. As you can see there is no exposed hammer. It still has a hammer of course, it's just shrouded so it can snag on anything as it's being drawn from pocket or purse. I can't say for this particular model, but on some the shroud is shaped in such a way that the hammer can barely be grasped in order to cock it so that single action fire can be acheived.
The one I linked to happens to be made of a combination of Scandium Alloy/Titanium/Stainless Steel, accounting for the 12 oz. empty weight.
And thanks for your service in our defense!
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marineJAG, I'm sure there are lots of pix of hammerless revolvers avail on-line. My scanner is down so I can't scan it in. Just laying a pistol on the flat bed scanner takes a decent digital photo of it. Look at thte S&W airlight
Of course there is some sort of mechanism for striking the firing pin or the equivalent thereof, it just isn't external so you can't thumb it back single action style. It is double action only, a minor negative for precisioin shooting but self defense IS NOT PRECISION SHOOTING. There are super plusses to the hammerless action. This pistol is what I call a COMA GUN as it can be operated successfully by a person in a coma, almost. Of course there is no safety or other operating controls of interest until after you have fired your five.
There is one operating input. Squeeze the trigger and it shoots, squeeze again and it shoots again, this can be repeated up to five times before you have to have any other operating knowledge, like opening the swing out cylinder to eject the empty cartridges and reload.
This style revolver is the ultimate in reliability in a repeating arm, they just work. There is no hammer to snag when pulling it from concealment. It comes with a built in safety lock should you be inclined to stick the key in the keyhole and render the weapon inoperable, we don't do that but we don't have to worry about kids finding it. It is extremely light weight and therefore more likely to be carried and you know how it goes... the available weapon, however flawed, is much much more valuable than the best "RATED" weapons in the world that are locked away or at another site or not along with you or...
It has a short barrel and doesn't achieve maximum efficiency/velocity from the hi-vel soft nose or hollow point super hot .357 mag "carry" loads but the flames spouting from the short barrel are pretty heavy duty and are a deterent in themselves at close range. The short barrel yields a rather short sight base so pointing accuracy suffers. Of course, we don't think MOA is a requirement for self defense carry.
Mountain lions do attack and occasionally eat people. We knew a guy at our lab who was attacked and narrowly escaped after hours of Mexican standoff with a mountain bike as the only defensive weapon. Same locale, a lady jogger was eaten. This used to be one of our favorite day hike locations and we never saw a cat there ourselves.
The chances of a cat-wife confrontation may not be that great but I want her to have something to defend herself with besides a stern glance, just in case.
Oh, I found a picture with a google search... Here tis... Frame is Scandium and cylinder is titanium for a light weight package. Barrel is 1 7/8 inches.
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Re: Kitty
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11/23/05 07:31 AM
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On Vancouver Island there are infrequent cougar attacks on people. More than one person has been killed.
And on another note of interest it is assummed wolves killed a young man in Northern Saskatchewan this past summer/fall.
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11/23/05 10:30 AM
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Gary, As you probably gleaned, my wife's .357 is the scandium frame titanium cylinder unit with no external hammer.
It is NOT (unfortunately) one of the units that you can access the hammer, with some effort. There is no external access to nor evidence of a hammer. Being able to access the hammer, even with some difficulty is a nice feature but not having it is an extremely unimportant shortcoming for short range personal self defense purposes where MOA is not required just center of mass +/- several inches.
Being able to cock the hammer for a lighter trigger pull on the first shot is "nice" but for a point and shoot self defense piece NOT a big plus. Us old target shooters have a lot of habits that are detrimental to self defense or close combat success.
Gary, have you run into any old habits that you need to unlearn in your new shooting sport?
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11/23/05 10:33 AM
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Packed dogs sometimes do what wolves are accused of. Wolves get credited with a lot of attacks. It is in our mindset, especially after reading jack London. In reality there are virtually no documented wolf killing human events for the north American continent. If the case you site was proven it could be a first or nearly so.
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Re: Kitty
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11/23/05 12:42 PM
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In reply to:
Ontario man believed killed by wolves in Saskatchewan
Last Updated Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:35:09 EST
CBC News
RCMP in Saskatchewan are reporting the first human death attributed to wolves in North America in more than a century.
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Re: Kitty
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11/23/05 01:23 PM
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In reply to:
Gary, have you run into any old habits that you need to unlearn in your new shooting sport?
Probably two things Pat.
One is drawing from a holster to shoot. Until the "games" like IDPA and others became popular in recent years, no one at a range, other than LEO, ever drew and fired. All weapons were laying on a rug in front of you.
The other is what's called "indexing". Laying your trigger finger along the side of the frame outside the trigger guard until ready to fire.
I'll admit to a ND many years ago though. About 37 years ago in fact. Never try to lower the hammer of a SA revolver while in a moving power boat. 
No one was hurt and I've not had any since.
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11/24/05 09:18 PM
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seems bear attacks are now what you have to worry about in ontario now thanks to harris o well all we can do is hope they stop and take legal action i guess  if you go to www.ontariofederationofanglerandhunters.com you can see afew articles about them some deaths too sadly 
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11/25/05 01:38 PM
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Egon, et al, apparently we would be better taking our chances being "thrown to the wolves" than chancing a close encounter of the cougar/panther/mountain lion/puma (take your pick) kind.
Our local police chief says that "down by the river" you can hear the big cats scream at night fairly regularly. He is an avid fisherman and spends his spare time fishing, sometines at the river. The river in question is the South Canadian and is a little over a mile from our house, well within the typical prowling range of these cats. There are rumors, unsubstantiated as far as I know, that some wildlife agency has released some cats in rural Oklahoma to help control the out of control deer proliferation.
Decades ago the South Canadian had a gator make it all the way to Norman, Oklahoma (Home of OU) from the south eastern corner of the state (quite close to Louisianna) where they are indigenous.
For the last few years folks have been reporting big cat sightings and have been poo pooed by the authorities. One of the medium small town papers ran an article with a picture of a dead puma. Hard to talk the shooter out of believing there are big cats in these parts.
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11/25/05 01:43 PM
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Gary, So far I have never had an accidental discharge... However, I did shoot a new extension cord in two with a scoped rifle. The cord was invisible in the scope as the scope was focused at a couple hundred yards and the cord was only a few feet away. I was inside a shop bld and fired out through a door. I did patch the cord and learned a very important lesson.
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Pat, do they have some way of actually KNOWING that the gator came up river vs. being turned loose in that area? I'm just curious because a little over 4 decades ago, quite a number of small gators were sold as pets and shipped through the U.S. Post Office. I delivered at least one of them myself (I was a part time temporary mail carrier while I was still in high school, and when I refilled my mail bag at one of the relay boxes, the little gator was loose in there because the box he was shipped in was busted). Then in the 60s and 70s, I heard rumors of gator sightings in White Rock Lake in Dallas (can't say whether they were true or not), but then once in the early 70s my aunt and uncle called animal control to come get a 2' gator out of the little creek behind their house in Dallas, so I know that one was true.
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Bird, You bring up a most valid point. I am confident that proper scientific investigative technique, as is available now, could determine if the majority of the animal's life were spent "wild" in the SE corner of the state or primarily in captivity as a "pet." However, I am thnking that the ability to make that determination was not commonly available at the time nor is it likely that it would it have been brougt to bear it it were.
I too recall the era where many "cayman" were sold as 'gators by mail order.
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Of course I picked up similar for my .45ACP
I knew I like you, Pat!  I've got one of the Argentinian Colts, myself. Pre-WWII Colt, but with an Argentine name on it. Mine's the Sistema. Very nice shooter, and with a bit of history to it.
I'm a little concerned about shooting out of a building, though. It's too easy for someone to walk into your line of fire if you can't see anything other than the door in front of you.
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I used to have one of those "Colts". Mine, IIRC, was marked Modesta Ballina or something like that. The finish was kind of a maroon color too.
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BlueRidge, My carry is a "Baby" Glock in .45ACP (Model 30??? hey I just use it I don't spend time reading what they wrote on the barrel!) as the full size Colt is a tad much. My full size is a Gold Cup national Match with more invested in smithing than it cost (or is probably worth) but if a round will feed up from the magazine it will go into the chamber reliably and eject cleanly. Stock, as you know, they prefer hardball.
Hey BLUE good buddy... did I forget to mention that the door is 12x14 feet? Your point is well taken, however, and I should have made it clear about the door. I never want to condone or appear to condone lax safety precautions.
I changed positions slightly while looking through the scope and in the scope could not see the extension cord. I'm a much more cautious citizen now.
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I used to have one of those "Colts". Mine, IIRC, was marked Modesta Ballina or something like that. The finish was kind of a maroon color too.
Ballester-Molina. A clone of the Colt, but not an exact copy. Nice piece, I hear.
The Sistema, on the other hand, is pure 100% Colt, manufactured on Colt machinery and under Colt license.
See? I knew you guys were alright!
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BlueRidge, The only non repro historical piece I ever had was a nickel plated Walther P-38 with all matching serial numbers and Reich ordanance stamps. It was built in 1943 in the Mauser factory as evidenced by the date stamp and the code BYF. I bought it from a surplus and junk shop in Minot, ND from the owner who thought it was a Luger. Hey what the heck it used Luger bullets! (9mm Parabellum) I paid $75 and it was in excellent condition, felt great and shot well. I liked it so much I bought a new postwar version that was made of a much lighter alloy and never felt right (still doesn't.)
Oh by the way... if there is a next time maybe well have a picture of the kitty as I am buying my wife a digital binocam for Christmas. It does 3.2MP stills and does video clips too. 8X binocs and a matching telephoto on the camera so what you see is what you get if you press the shutter release.
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I'm interested in history, but oddly, I'm not much into collecting. But THAT is one piece I'd love to have! Nice find!
That and an artillery model Luger, complete with stock.
Actually, if I ever have a few grand to burn, I may have one made. There's a guy in California who makes repros. I think I'd have it made in .357 Sig.
Okay, so I'm not a purist! Sue me!
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