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12/12/03 07:13 PM
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I have fought pigeons for several years. They poop more than any bird I've ever seen. I have several tractors that I value very highly and these stupid birds seem dead set on vandalizing them. I would venture to say I have killed 20 of these pests in the last few years. Is there a better way to keep them away? Pellet guns rarely kill one and .22 goes through the tin. Maybe a bird poison.Is there such a thing?
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/12/03 08:31 PM
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Might try .22 shotshells. They use no. 12 shot and probably won't go through the tin.
They used to market .22 cal shotguns for a sport called "mosskeeto". Used small clay targets at short range. perhaps you could locate one of these shotguns.
Crossman used to market CO2 powered shotguns. They used plastic shotshells that you reloaded. I have seen these at gunshows.
You might also try a more powerfull pellet rifle. I have a "spring air" gun that pushes a .177 pellet at over 1000FPS. These types of guns are available in .177, .20, and .22 calibers. Some are also available in .25 cal.
Do a search on Google for "adult air guns" and you'll find many returns. Cabela's and BassPro also carry these items. The airguns that is.
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12/12/03 09:22 PM
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I never thought about .22 shotshells,it'd work just fine.
My fathernlaw said he'd reload me some 12 ga shells with rice but he has'nt got it done yet and that was 6 monthe ago.
I'll have to see why my location didn't show up on my post. I am just east of Macon,Mo. small world.
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12/12/03 10:14 PM
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Just my observation on shotshells. I have found that a .22 long rifle shotshell (by CCI) is not as effective as a .22 long rifle birdshot cartridge (by Federal). I like the birdshot .22 cal for gophers, doves, etc. Also shoot sparrows when they try to pester the bluebirds trying to nest. The bird shot doesn't carry very far, and I feel safer than using the regular .22 long rifle shell.
Is there a way to board up (cover) the holes that allow the pigeons to get in your shed? Seems its the most effective way to avoid the problem. And I do agree that they are a real nuisance.
As a kid, we would catch pigeons at night using a flashlight and a gunny sack, then sell them for 10 cents each to a dog trainer. Four or five of us would pick up 70 to 100 pigeons in a good night. Made for some exciting times crawling around in barns and silo covers at night.
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12/13/03 07:44 AM
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Might try .22 shotshells. They use no. 12 shot and probably won't go through the tin.
I use these for the rattlesnakes. Lotta rocks around here, and I was concerned about ricochets. The shotshells meet this need just fine, and do a superior job on the snakes.
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12/13/03 08:47 AM
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My BIL is here with me now and says that if you're serving dinner, we might drive up and shoot some pigons for you. he wants to use a .410 with light loads. We reload .410 so that's not an issue.
BTW, the Mayor of Macon is a personal friend of mine. He's a fellow Ham operator. Dale, KØKY. I get up there once a year or so.
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12/13/03 10:16 AM
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A neighbor suggested looking into an ultrasonic repeller. That would be ok I don't care if it drives off everything.
That pigeon poop dries hard as crazy glue. Right now I have to keep things covered with those blue tarps. Who wants to ride horses when the saddle is covered in green and white.
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/13/03 11:42 AM
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Surely can't help with ideas on keeping the pigeons away but would like to add that the droppings can be a health hazard.
Egon
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12/13/03 01:39 PM
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Let me know if you want to have a pigeon hunt after Christmas. Maybe in January. I guess the critters are still there then.
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/13/03 01:52 PM
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Is this in a barn, or an open front shed?
If this a barn, then it is time to do some repair work. I'd start by puting screen on all openings; in the eaves, vents, ect. Make sure you always close the doors. Make it so they can not get in.
If you shoot them, use light shot in a target load. A game loads will be too powerful and will blow holes through your barn. Even target loads will require caution.
You might try a .410, but even those put the shot out at velocites that a 12 or 20 gauge would.
Yes, .22 bullets put nice holes in barns, not that I would know about it personally 
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12/13/03 03:57 PM
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A half oz. of no. 9 with a light load of powder in a .410 would be good. As stated a game load in any guage would be too hot. Target loads are generally lighter in power, but not always. A trap load might be plenty powerful.
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/13/03 07:24 PM
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As big a nuisance as pigeons are around the world, I suspect if ultrasonic repellers really worked, they would be used a lot, because they would be cheap to operate.
I rather doubt that they are very effective. Also, birdshot in a 22 shell (by Federal) won't punch a hole in your barn roof or wall (like a regular 22 bullet). They might take out a window pane on a direct hit, but sounds like the pigeons may have already taken them out.
When they roost at night, they are not spooked by a flashlight. You could pick them off fairly easily, and at least reduce the flock (by night!). 
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/13/03 09:00 PM
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It's an open 50 year old amish hay barn.No way to keep them out.
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12/14/03 09:14 AM
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There are a few bird repellent products on the market.
One is a sticky goo you spread on the tops of the trusses/rafters where ever they like to sit. It's so sticky they can't fly away. After a while the others get the idea and vacate the area.
Another is a strip that has 3" spikes sticking up placed close together. Put that on top of their roosting spots and they'll not have a place to land.
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Re: pigeons in the barn pooping all over
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12/14/03 09:32 AM
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We have a stable we close up at night and in the winter. Every spring we have a bunch of sparrows and starlings try to move in. They seem to figure out it's not a good spot to nest as they often can't get in or out. They seem to give up by time summer starts. We like to keep the barn open in the summer for ventalation.
I've heard that hanging a CD or DVD from a string can work as a bird repellant. I've never tried this so I can't say whether it works or not. But I have seen plenty of CDs hanging in gardens and such and I always wondered what that was all about. Not very attractive as a decoration, that's for sure. Then somebody told me they used this method in their barn.
It might be worth a try if all it cost you is a couple of old CDs. And if it don't work you can use them as target practice 
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12/14/03 07:05 PM
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We just came in from a pigeon massacre,me and the kids went out with .22's and a spotlight. In the spring I will have to get up there with a caulking gun. They roost on the iron rail in the ridge.Where I shot holes not much rain will get in.
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I had the same problem, go to a sporting goods store and get some Aguila Super Colibri 22 ammo. These shells are loaded with a light 20gr bullet and just use the priming compound as propellant. They are quiet and will kill pigeons, but with their light bullet weight and low velocity they will not go through the roof.
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I suggest you consider using Colibri in a pistol for even safer shooting. Super Colibri are more powerful than the regular but still come with warning to not use in a "long gun" as the bullet may not exit the barrel. I have never personally had a "short" round with either Colibri or Super Colibri but BE CAREFUL. Bird shot from a pistol is strictly short range, safe, and fun. I even shoot factory loaded shot shells in .45 ACP. You can develop some good "natural point of aim" skills with a good supply of moving targets.
There is a less fun solution: "Tanglefoot" is a commercial product which you "paint" everywhere birds perch. It does NOT hurt the bird physically (does not glue it down) but the birds really don't like it and will not stay on a surface painted with it. It just feels bad to them and they, lacking a place to perch, just go elsewhere. Coating lasts a long time, especially under a roof.
Tanglefoot would be on duty 24-7 but pistols or rifles with bird shot are more fun.
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I don't have experience with .22 long shotshells but .22 mag. shot shells work excellent for pigeons. The other option is to get some friends that are good with shot guns and scare them out of the barn (pigeons) and have at them. They fly away after a while, but they usually come back for four or five rounds of shooting and it's fun.
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Get an owl decoy or a hawk that squaks thingy. They use them all over Ashland to keep pigeons away and it works too. One restaurant has an owl perched on the building where the pigeons would set and bomb the sidewalk and patrons.
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About the CCI brand shotshells, the ones with the blue plastic bullet shaped shot container at WallMart for $3.19 plus tax for 20... I was doing a little extermination job on some winged nuisences and at ranges of about 10-15 feet in a .22 target pistol, Ruger 22-45, The best I could do was drop one with two shots (both dead on). At those prices, about 35 cents per bird, wouldn't I be better off loading #12 in a .410 or even in a 12 ga. I could load with cracked corn, wheat, rice or grass seed in a 12 ga and do better for less but with a tad louder report.
I wasn't brave (stupid) enough to try the CCI shotshells with the supressor. Guess I will have to consider using a rifle for a little more zap.
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Not trying them in the supressed pistol was probably a good call. The supressor would likely get heavier with each shot! From the shot not leaving the end but staying in the supressor.
In europe they have, I'm told, a 32 guage shotgun. Smaller than a .410.
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Gary, Recall the discusssion RE .22 shotguns built here in the USA? 32 gauge, big deal. Lets see now what is the nominal bore size of a 32 ga?
Quick, someone with a calculator and ready access to a ref text to get the density of lead... What is the diameter of 32 equal size lead balls that weigh a total of 1 lb in aggregate. I bet it is larger than .22 inches.
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Actually, after I made my post I looked on the net and discovered that a 32 ga. shotgun is slightly larger than a .410. Of couse this morning I can't find that website.
IIRC, the dia of a 32 ga. is about .43-.44 dia.
There's a gun show in July and I'll be on the lookout for that smoothbore .22.
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