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Venison in the freezer and I never went hunting
11/28/03 09:30 AM
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When we bought our property, our neighbors all hunted it. The land is heavy woods and deep ravines that are home for too many deer. As of yesterday eighteen deer have been taken from these woods and ravines.
I do not deer hunt but understand the need to control the herd and limit the numbers. Venison is also very popular in our home. Our nearest neighbor just called to let me know that they are dropping off a whole deer all frozen and ready for the freezer. We have already received three other deliveries from other successful hunter-neighbors.
We seem to have the best situation here, great neighbors, private land, rustic beauty and plenty of venison in the freezer. 
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went hunting
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11/28/03 11:50 AM
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Sounds like you have been fortunate. But you don't know what you are missing by not hunting. You don't have to kill anythng to enjoy the outdoors, and hunting will teach you things you didn't know. Living is learning, don't stop.
A man's likely to mind his own business, if it is worth mindin' - Eric Hoffer
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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11/28/03 12:15 PM
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Tenebrous:
If you do not have a hunting licence and have wild game in your possession it may not comply with the local regulations no mater how inocent it is.
Wildlife officials up here would take a dim view of freezer contents and proceed with heavy hand.
Egon
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11/28/03 01:00 PM
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Sounds like you have been fortunate. But you don't know what you are missing by not hunting. You don't have to kill anythng to enjoy the outdoors, and hunting will teach you things you didn't know. Living is learning, don't stop.
I hunted a lot in the past and enjoy the woods and nature. It just has not been the fun it once was. Lost my best friend and life long hunting companion few years ago to lung cancer and it just is not the same without him. The dogs and I take long walks in the woods out of hunting season but this time of year is just not the same. My neighbors invite me to go along so may be next year.
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11/28/03 01:10 PM
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If you do not have a hunting licence and have wild game in your possession it may not comply with the local regulations no mater how inocent it is.
Wildlife officials up here would take a dim view of freezer contents and proceed with heavy hand.
Egon
If they show up will a search warrant for my freezer, I can show the source. The deer was professionally butchered and wrapped with all the necessary tags. Besides right now the State is happy that the over populated deer are being harvested.
My son the lawyer says not to worry, we still live in the good old USA. 
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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11/28/03 06:28 PM
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Egon,
I know if i cant say somthing nice i shouldnt say nothing at all.....but, You mean to tell me if my neighbor gives me hunted game and i dont have a licence to hunt i could be arrested as if i hunted it? I could see it if i were leaving the scene of a hunting trip or such, but it seems kinda out of the question in this situation with Tenebrous. My dad has given me lots of game he hunts. I dont hunt and never have and dont plan on ever doing it. Am i gonna get busted with a pheasant leg in my mouth 
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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11/28/03 08:30 PM
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Just stating what the regulations are in some places and people have been fined for just the same case.
Note; I did mention something about local regulations. I have no idea what type of regulations you have.
Egon
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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11/29/03 09:46 AM
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I dont hunt and never have and dont plan on ever doing it. Am i gonna get busted with a pheasant leg in my mouth
Iblair, as long as you can show the source of the game meat in our New York State there will not be a problem. That is one reason I like the idea of the commercial butcher doing the deer. They have to see the deer tagged.
There is a lot of venison passed around in our area and I bet in your town too. If the count is correct, there have been 19 deer taken this season so far from the 400 acres of woods and ravines around our home. At least that we know about. That is about right with years past and it does not seem to effect the population. Last winter after hunting season there was a herd of twenty to thirty deer in a large hay lot every evening. The woods gives them cover and protection and the large surrounding farms are easy sources of food.
This is rugged land that is difficult to hunt but it holds a large number of deer and other wildlife. During hunting season more deer seem to gravitate to the deep ravines to hide. It takes some effort but everyone that has hunted the area this year has been successful.
As far as the conservation officers are concerned they have better things to do than snatch that pheasant leg from your mouth.
Tim
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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11/29/03 03:58 PM
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As far as the conservation officers are concerned they have better things to do than snatch that pheasant leg from your mouth.
Thats good cause i bite
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/04/03 02:27 PM
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In Quebec, after tagging the animal, you must register it. They take your personal info, the time and location of the kill, etc. They then give you a document that you must keep as long as you have game in your possesion.
Whenever I give a significant amount of meat away, I also provide a photocopy of this document.
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/05/03 08:43 AM
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I know the hunter must notify the State by phone with similar info. It probably is a good idea to get a scan of the tag information. Thanks
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/07/03 11:50 AM
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Given the way our laws are enforced at times, it would be way better safe than possibly sorry. Giving a photo copy of the papers is a very thoughtful and simple way to avoid any difficulty and it should make the recipient mindful of the consideration shown.
Here, we can fish our own waters without lisc. but guests must comply with all game and fish laws regarding species, size, number.
Willd deer are property of the state (shades of Robin Hood and the King's deer) and a lisc is required to take one on your own land. Migratory water fowl, of course, are not free for the taking either.
There are possession limits, in excess of daily bag limits, that can get yuu in trouble if it came to light, wth some species. I suppose too much venison in the larder could be a problem if you haven't a legal way of proving how you got it.
We too are overpopulated with deer and need to harvest many more females to try to get back a ballance.
The toughest game laws that I ever personally knew about are in Alaska where the state can confiscate any and all property involved with the illegal act. This can include a guide's plane if you use it to transport illegal game. Likewise a motorhome if the frige has illegal game in it. Likewise your home, I'm told, if you have illegal game in the freezer. Those rules certainly got our attention.
Pat
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/07/03 02:10 PM
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Pat:
North of 49 a lot of those laws apply. I'm well out of date but that only means I am not aware of how serious it can now be.
Egon
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/10/03 01:39 PM
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The sad part of the property confiscation acts is that by and large no crime need be proven, or even charged. There are some 200 + crimes that can now lead to property taking, you'll need to check your State as well as Federal laws. 
A man's likely to mind his own business, if it is worth mindin' - Eric Hoffer
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Re: Venison in the freezer and I never went huntin
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12/10/03 05:04 PM
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HMMMM, you seem otherwise an intelligent and articulate person. Aren't familiar with the ever improving in popularity, "Guilt by Accusation?"
Pat
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