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Pond Aeration and Care
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Hi! New member of the forum here, so let me give you a bit of background.
We just purchased a home on 2 acres of land. We have a pond on the property that is on the smallish side (approx. 50' x 60'; see attached picture). The pond has a few tires in it that we need to clear out, but appears to otherwise be in good environmental shape as far as an ecosystem. There are turtles and frogs all over the place.
I am planning to remove a good portion of the brush surrounding the pond to open it up (right now you can't see it from the house due to the brush--we didn't even know it was there when we looked at the house). Once that is done I am looking at ways to aerate the pond by either constructing a small waterfall or a fountain. I'd like to do this in a "green" manner, and thought about one of the many windmills I see advertised. Does anyone have any experience with the smaller, 12' windmills? Will they aerate a 50' x 60' pond, and can you purchase one that would operate a water pump for a fountain or waterfall? I *know* electrical pumps are a better way to go, but I'm exploring the possibility of a wind-driven alternative.
Beyond aeration, looking at the attached picture what other suggestions might you have for this pond? I'm new to the whole pond experience, so I'd like to get some advice from people who know.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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06/11/07 02:14 PM
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The surrounding vegetation will probably add to the ponds aquaculture. Remove as little as possible.
Chances are the tires serve as sunning spots for different pond inhabitants. If you remove them replace them with floats.
Wind aeration may depend on the velocity and steadiness of the local winds. Height of surrounding trees may also be a factor. Balance out wind cost and electric cost to pick your system.
Nice pond!
Egon
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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06/13/07 07:29 PM
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I'd recommend only removing the view obscuring growth and leaving all or most of the rest (background.) IF the tires are submerged and you have fish, they may have been intended for nesting/spawning. Clay tile make good nests too if the petrochemical aspect of tires bothers you.
Atwoods farm and ranch stores sell a small windmill aereator and our closest one (27 miles) has a display in the parking lot. There are also solar driven pumps that can be used to stir the water. A man made waterfall of decent height for lots of agitation to get decent aeration will require a fair fall, 10 ft or more (my guess based on limited but not total lack of experience.)
The higher the head of pressure the more energy required to pump the water to that height. If you have a decent average wind and no really long periods of calm (multi-day calms) you could probably do OK with either a water pumping or air pumping wind mill. The water pumpers ARE NOT CHEAP. The little air pumping mills that I have seen run a bit over a grand.
To the man with a hammer every job looks sort of like a nail so understand my prejudice, I lean toward a solar direct water pump, i.e. solar PV panels direct wired to a pump, no charge controller and no battery. When the sun shines it pumps water.
Lots of these installations used for potable water and irrigation in 3rd world situations. You pays your money and you takes your chances: solar, wind-water, or wind-air. If you are handy and like a fairly easy DIY challenge you can go windmill direct mechanical drive to a paddle wheel to aerate the water. No solar panels or electric pump, no expensive windmill operated air pump. pr expensive wind driven water pump.
If you don't mind the modernistic look of a Savonius rotor vice the traditional wind mill you will have a simpler design that works well. Even an Archimedes screw (dead simple to build) driven by a Savonius rotor would move a significant quantity of water if you have decent wind. The Savonius rotor has the advantage of not having to be aimed at the wind as it is always aimed at the wind. If a breeze comes along wilth force enough to turn it it turns. With a conventional windmill the wind has to turn the mill into the wind before anything useful happens. If the winds are light and variable at your site you may find a conventional windmill does a lot of realigning but little pumping. The Savonius rotor is ready to go all the time and the Archimedes screw stays primed and is ready to pick up where it left off at the end of the previous wind.
Just some ideas to consider before just going to the store, paying big bucks, and hoping it works.
Pat
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/15/07 08:16 PM
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Ok, folks. Bad news... I purchased a $60 pair of waders and we went into the pond (on the edges) to see what we had. The pond is not a pond... it's a swamp. 6-8 inches of water in the deepest spots, 2 feet of mud below the water.
Here is my question to those that know: this pond is fed by some type of underground spring as it does not dry up and has no visible water flowing in. Can a mud bowl like this be excavated? What can I do with this? We want a POND, so leaving it a swamp really isn't an option. Will a dozer or an excavator be able to work with this to dig it to a workable pond depth? Or does the fact that it stays mud and won't dry up mean an operator won't touch it with his machine?
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/15/07 08:24 PM
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I can't imagine a dozer operator touching it, but in my area, at least, you could find someone with a dragline that will clean it out to just about any depth you want. Of course, I don't know what the cost would be, but I've seen bigger ones than that done and been told it was expensive, and that the few people who have a dragline to do that kind of work have a waiting list, so it might be months before they get to you.
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/22/07 04:28 PM
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Large track hoe excavator can reach quite a ways and work around the edges if it isn't too soft. Otherwise the drag line with bucket is a good option. It lends itself to DIY too. You will need one strong vehicle to pull the bucket through the swamp to remove mud. This can be a tractor. Larger is better but even a 4x4 CUT (at least 20-30 HP, I'd think) can do it just slower than a big tractor. You need a second vehicle to retrieve the bucket.
The tractor pulls out a bucket of gunk and dumps it. Then the pickup truck, team of mules or whatever pulls the bucket backwards back across the digin's so the tractor can make another pass.
Another alternative is a suction dredge. You need a powerful water pump and some pipe. You may get by with the the 2 inch stuff sold for water hose on engine driven pumps in the 5-10 HP range. The idea is to pump water out of the swamp and with a suction nozzle (using Bernoulli's principle) you "vacuum" up mud. The water and the mud are discharged at the exit end of the hose. The water runs back down hill to the swamp and gets recycled.
You may have seen small suction dredges used to vacuum up stuff off the ocean floor (gold coins artifacts etc.) They are also used in small scale god recovery operations. Keene Industries is one place to start for info on small suctiion dredges.
Pat
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/22/07 05:51 PM
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The draglines I saw used on farm ponds in my area were smaller versions of this.
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/22/07 06:45 PM
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A smaller version.
http://www.stripmine.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/wwwboard/stripmine?cmd=get&cG=1353937383&zu=3135393737&v=2&gV=0&p=
There used to be many smaller versions of drag lines. Don't know if any are made anymore or not. I think most have been replaced by the tracked hoe.
Egon
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Re: Pond Aeration and Care
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07/22/07 06:53 PM
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Yep, Egon, that looks more like what I've seen in my area, except the ones I've seen looked very old, usually in dire need of a paint job, etc. I don't know if any new ones are made now or not, but quite possibly not.
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