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My wife and I have recently found a ranchette (68.9 acres) that we are contemplating purchasing. The owner had the water well tested and it revealed elevated levels of chloroform. I am looking on the web, but haven’t really found much on it other than it can cause cancer. The folks that did the test said it would require a water filtration system at about $6,000 and it would make the water ok. Does anyone have any experience with this??
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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Hi Rik,
<The owner had the water well tested >
Who did the "testing"? If it was the party/company that suggested the $6,000 "filter," disregard the info.
If you are buying rural property, I suggest you locate a real certified water testing lab. They will do tests for more than 300 potential "contaminants, and reveal the condition of your water. If there is in fact chloroform present in your water, it would be important to know the source (farm, industrial, or ???).
There is a number calculated for many common contaminants, called the Lifetime Health Advisory Level, which supposedly gives an amount considered "safe" for consumtption over a lifetime. Many times such numbers protect industrial polluters, and are not truly reflective of "safe" levels. Most chemicals are not safe in any concentration.
In tests of rural wells in 1997 in Pennsylvania, chloroform was the second most commonly detected compound. Chloroform is a byproduct of using chlorine as a disinfectant. Chloroform also is present in septic-system effluent, and it has industrial uses. The highest chloroform concentration detected in a water sample was 61µg/L.
So, the chloroform may have been a transient presence, due perhaps to the previous owner or his agent "shocking" the well with chlorine prior to showing you the property (a very common procedure with rural wells).
I bought a rural property and did such tests for about 300 substances, including Ag chemicals (my main concern). It cost me about $350, but the results showed no contaminants, and made me very reassured.
You need to KNOW for certain what is in the water, because you may be required to clean it up, even if you did not cause the contamination . The state and Federal environmental laws are very complex and can bite very hard. I would even consider a clause in your sales agreement, if you do decide to make an offer on the property, which specially makes the previous owner responsible for any contamination that occurred prior to your moving in. I probably would not buy the property at all with chloroform present in the water, if it was due to industrial causes, even if it could be cleared with filtering. Use caution.
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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Hakim- Thanks for your response. The property was part of a larger ranch a long time ago and was partitioned into smaller tracts about 30 years ago. I assume that the source of the contaminants would be farm related and not industrial. I will definitely look into having a neutral water testing facility perform a more detailed analysis. You mentioned “…the chloroform may have been a transient presence, due perhaps to the previous owner or his agent "shocking" the well with chlorine prior to showing you the property (a very common procedure with rural wells).” Does the chloroform level dissipate under that condition or does it cause a recurring problem?
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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Hi Rik,
Info from US Geologic Survey follows below. Some of it does not directly apply to your case, but may give ideas for further investigation. You really have to find out the actual source of this chloroform. If the land has been vacant for 30 years, it is likely some transient source.You do need to test.
I would spend some time in the nearest town, and go to a feed store or farm store, and "ask around" a bit. Mention that you have had some well testing done, and mention chloroform was found. If this is a "known" problem in the area, they will know, and likely be willing to talk about it. That may also give you some additional info to match up with any test results.
In most states is is definitely illegal for a real estate agent or property owner to purposefully withhold information on ground water contamination . Maybe since this is an "absentee" owner, the RE thinks they can get away with something. I would write a letter to the agent/brokerage, and get them to respond in writing to this issue.
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Natural Sources Groundwater contamination can occur in many ways and from many sources, both natural- and human-induced. Groundwater commonly contains one or more naturally occurring chemicals, leached from soil or rocks by percolating water, in concentrations that exceed federal or state drinking water standards or otherwise impair its use.
Waste Disposal Practices Perhaps the best-known sources of groundwater contamination are associated with the storage or disposal of liquid and solid wastes. The organic substances most frequently reported in groundwater as resulting from waste disposal in decreasing order of occurrence, are:
trichloroethylene (TCE) chloroform benzene pentachlorophenol tetrachloroethylene (PCE) creosote phenolic compounds l,l,l-trichloroethane toluene xylene
Waste disposal can take a number of forms:
septic systems municipal and industrial landfills surface impoundments waste-injection wells direct application of stabilized wastes to the land In addition to these regulated forms of disposal, a considerable amount of unregulated disposal, such as illegal dumping and accidental spills, contributes to groundwater contamination.
Septic Systems Septic systems are the largest source by volume of waste discharged to the land. These systems are sources of bacteria, viruses, nitrate, phosphorus, chloride and organic substances, including organic solvents such as trichloroethylene that are sold commercially to "clean" the systems.
In 1980, about 22 million domestic disposal systems were in operation, and about one-half million new systems are installed each year. It is estimated that from one-third to one-half of existing systems could be operating improperly because of poor location, design, construction or maintenance practices.
Even when Operating properly, systems can be spaced so densely that their discharge exceeds the capacity of the local soil to assimilate the pollutant loads. Because the 10- to 15-year design life of many septic systems built during the 1960s and 1970s is now exceeded, groundwater contamination caused by septic system failure probably will increase in the future.
Landfills About 150 million tons of municipal solid waste and 240 million tons of industrial solid waste are deposited in 16,400 landfills each year. Some hazardous waste material may be deposited in municipal landfills and underlying groundwater may become contaminated. Wastes deposited at industrial landfills include a large assortment of trace metals, acids, volatile organic compounds and pesticides, which may cause significant local contamination.
Surface impoundments Surface impoundments are used to store, treat or dispose of oil and gas brines, acidic mine wastes, industrial wastes (mainly liquids), animal wastes, municipal treatment plant sludges and cooling water. For the most part, these impoundments contain nonhazardous wastes; however, hazardous wastes are known to be treated, stored and disposed of by 400 facilities involving about 3,200 impoundments. Some of these impoundments have significant potential for contaminating groundwater.
Injection Wells In some parts of the country, injection wells dispose of liquid wastes underground. Of particular concern is the widespread use of drainage wells to dispose of urban stormwater runoff and irrigation drainage. Contaminants associated with drainage wells include suspended sediments; dissolved solids; bacteria; sodium; chloride; nitrate; phosphate; lead, and organic compounds, including pesticides.
Land Application of Wastes In many places, solid and liquid wastes are placed or sprayed on the land, commonly after treatment and stabilization. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has estimated that more than 7 million dry tons of sludge from at least 2,463 publicly owned waste treatment plants are applied to about 11,900 parcels of land each year. Contamination can occur from improper land-disposal techniques.
Storage and Handling of Materials and Wastes Groundwater contamination as the result of storage and handling of materials includes leaks from both above-ground and underground storage tanks, as well as unintentional spills or poor housekeeping practices in the handling and transferring of materials on industrial and commercial sites.
Leaking Underground Storage Tanks Possibly as many as 7 million steel tanks are used to store petroleum products, acids, chemicals, industrial solvents and other types of waste underground. The potential of these tanks to leak increases with age. About 20 percent of existing steel tanks are more than 16 years old, and estimates of the total number that presently leak petroleum products range from 25 to 30 percent. Underground storage tanks appear to be a leading source of benzene, toluene and xylene contaminants, all of which are organic compounds in diesel and gasoline fuels.
Transporting and Stockpiling Many materials and wastes are transported and then temporarily stored in stockpiles before being used or shipped elsewhere. Precipitation can leach potential contaminants from such stockpile; storage containers can corrode and leak; and accidental spills can occur - as many as 10,000 to 16,000 per year, according to EPA estimates.
Mining Practices Mining of coal, uranium and other substances and the related mine spoil can lead to groundwater contamination in several ways:
Shafts and tunnels can intersect aquifers. Exposing coal to oxygen can form sulfuric acid, which can degrade water quality. Contaminants from tailings can leach into groundwater.
Oil-Well Brines Since the 1800s, hundreds of thousands of exploratory and production wells have been drilled for oil and gas in the United States. During production, oil wells produce brines that are separated from the oil and stored in surface impoundments. EPA estimates that 125,100 brine-disposal impoundments exist that might affect local groundwater supplies.
Agricultural Activities Agriculture is one of the most widespread human activities that affects the quality of groundwater. In 1987, about 330 million acres were used for growing crops in the United States, of which 45 million acres were irrigated.
Fertilizers During the 1960s and 1970s, nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium fertilizer use steadily increased to a peak of 23 million tons in 1981. By 1987, however, fertilizer use had declined to 19.2 million tons, reflecting the large number of acres withdrawn from production as part of the Conservation Reserve Program and other government programs.
If nitrogen supply exceeds nitrogen uptake by crops, excess nitrogen can be leached to groundwater. In such areas, local nitrate-nitrogen concentrations may exceed the federal drinking water standard of 10 mg/L
Pesticides Pesticides have been used since the 1940s to combat a variety of agricultural pests. Between 1964 and 1982, the amount of active ingredients applied to croplands increased 170 percent. Herbicide usage peaked in 1982, and since then has declined from about 500 million pounds of active ingredients per year to about 430 million pounds in 1987.
In addition to crop applications, infiltration of spilled pesticides can cause contamination in locations where pesticides are stored, and where sprayers and other equipment used to apply pesticides are loaded and washed.
Pesticides most frequently detected in groundwater are the fumigants ethylene dibromide (EDB) and 1,2-dichloropropane; the insecticides aldicarb, carbofuran and chlordane; and the herbicides alachlor and atrazine.
Feedlots Feedlots confine livestock and poultry and create problems of animal-waste disposal. Feedlot wastes often are collected in impoundments from which they might infiltrate to groundwater and raise nitrate concentrations. Runoff from farmyards may also directly enter an aquifer along the outside of a poorly sealed well easing.
Irrigation Percolation of irrigation water into soils dissolves soil salts and transports them downward. Evapotranspiration of applied water from the root zone concentrates salts in the soil and increases the salt load to the groundwater.
Chemigation, the practice of mixing and distributing pesticides and fertilizers with irrigation water, may cause contamination if more chemicals are applied than crops can use. It may also cause local contamination if chemicals back-siphon from the holding tank directly into the aquifer through an irrigation well.
Saline Water Intrusion The encroachment of saline water into the freshwater part of an aquifer is an ever-present threat when water supplies are developed from the highly productive coastal plain aquifers of the United States, or from aquifers underlain by saline water in the interior of the country. Local incidents of saline water intrusion have occurred on all coasts of the United States. ===========
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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10/18/04 06:10 PM
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Did the test reveal chloroform or was it coliform? Coliform is common in wells. It's not good, but common.
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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10/18/04 06:24 PM
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Chloroform or coliform? VERY good point Jerry. I didn't think of that.
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10/18/04 09:40 PM
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Inspector- I asked for clarification on the chloroform/coliform issue and my real estate agent said it was chloroform. He told me that the seller’s agent was being very cooperative and up front with the issues so that makes me feel a bit more at ease. I sure wouldn’t want to worry about them hiding things. I am going to put together a list of questions/concerns and get them to my agent for the seller to answer. I’m using the information that Hakim has posted and if anyone has more I’m glad to receive it (I can’t imagine there being more b/c Hakim seems pretty thorough ). I am also going to get another test done by a neutral party.
Thanks -Ricky
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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10/18/04 10:29 PM
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Hi,
The seller and his agent have no choice but to be "very up front an cooperative." As I said, there are Federal laws...
I would be concerned to ask them if they know of any possible source for this contamination. According to state regulatory agencies, one of the main sources of chloroform, is "waste disposal." We lived in Upstate New York, and one thing that did go on was "illegal dumping" of wastes, including industrial and also hospital wastes. Even on our relatively small parcel of 55 acres, there was PLENTY of room to back up a tanker and dump wastes out and leave. I do not know the situation in Texas, but is seems odd that the owner would have no idea at all as to where this came from. Somebody knows, or can find out.
Also you want to carefully inquire about underground fuel tanks, or fertilizer or other storage tanks. They may have been used, even years ago, and just begin leaking now.
I would go a bit further with trying to talk with someone from a nearby town. Even better, go to the neighboring property owners, and ask them. They have as much at stake as you do, since the groundwater easily could (or may already have) invade their wells. You do not need to alarm them, just ask them "how's your well water?" Ask if they've ever had "any problems." Country people are usually pretty straightforward and will talk honestly with you.
You problem is three-fold: 1) you do not want to buy a ranch and have a water supply that causes cancer and other serious diseases; 2) you do not want to get stuck with State or Federally-ordered clean up of groundwater contaminants (can easily run six figures or more: read your state laws, it will give you the heebie jeebies); 3) you do not want to buy the land, be unable to abate the contamination, then get stuck with an unsaleable piece of land... Serious issues, all.
These issues have come up before over on our sister site at TractorByNet.com . You can go over there and do a search for appropriate topics (chloroform has not beene directly addressed, but wells have, many times), and see some other perspectives. My own position is, hey, its a big world, and why should I take any chances at all with contaminated groundwater.
Keep us posted.
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Re: chloroform in the water well
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Regarding the potentially transient nature of chloroform that is a byproduct of chlorination... It will clear up exponentially as water is removed from the well such that over time it will be essentially completely gone. This may take up to hundreds of gal of flow depending on the storage volume of the well. If a significant quantity of water is removed from the well, say at least 5 times the storage volume, and the chloroform level is not reduced to just a small percentage of the value prior to "purging" then the well is producing the contaminated water and it is NOT a transient phenomenon.
This test would require you to pull a sample for testing, run the pump sufficiently to pump out at least 5 times the storage volume of the well and then take a second sample. If the second is not much lower in its chloroform content the water supply itself is contaminated not just your well.
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Here is an update:
The realtor has not answered all of my questions yet, but he did get this much to me: The water testing was done 3 times and tested all three wells at one time or another. Test kits then are sent to Waco for testing. This is who is failing the wells.
Pat- I will inquire about the transient nature of this contamination. I would assume that if the water source is contaminated the county extension agent would NEED to know. Obviously the water pumped out would be run out over a portion of the property. Does chloroform have any adverse affect on the vegetation, livestock, or soil?
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If they didn't run a sufficient quantity of water between tests then repeating the tests would not disclose the difference between a transient contamination such as from super-chlorination to shock the well and kill out any pathogens and a well that is tapping into contaminated water. If all 3 wells were shocked then all three could have transient levels of chloroform that are not indicative of a long term problem.
Said another way... You don't have enough information to make an informed decision. Irrespective of the number of times a test is repeated, if the protocol is wrong the tests can be inconclusive. Testing a well over and over in a short period of time with insuficient water having been purged from the well between tests is not particulary useful for the determination you are trying to make.
I don't think the levels of contamination should pose a bio-hazard if you run some well water on the surface. L_O_N_G_term exposure (drinking the water daily) could pose a helath risk. There is no wide spread agreement on how much is OK. I personally think there are combinatorial effects related to other contaminates in your environment-food-air plus differences in individual chemical makeup so what may be tolerated by one individual may be many times more risky for another. Less is better, usually.
For peace of mind you might want to check the liability-legal issue regarding running known contaminated water out on the surface. The local extensiion agent might have a clue.
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New update: I just got an email from my realtor saying that he misunderstood the seller’s realtor. She said coliform and not chloroform. He blamed it on the Texas accent; well if you’re gonna live in Texas you gotta speak our language . He said that the seller is going to chlorinate the well and it will be drinkable. I haven’t researched coliform yet, but that is my next task. The well will be retested after the test as well.
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Yo Rik!
This be your lucky day, man!
"said coliform and not chloroform" means ...
that the "problem" can be cured with $2 worth of chlorine -- is why you are "lucky."
Find someone who really knows what they are doing with rural wells. Also, ask/demand that you see the actual test results from the samples the owner had tested. Also, get your own done. I personally would do the whole 300-assay test at a certified water lab.
There may be some reason that the coliform is present, but, generally speaking, it always shows up in rural wells from time to time. Easy to fix, unless there is some bacterial pollutant running into the well. Often coliform is from fecal (like septic) waste, but not always.
We have lived in rural environs for 25 years, and always had our own wells. We had coliform three or four times. Dump a gallon of chlorine down the well. Wait 12 hours. It will likely make the wate rall muddy and "brown." Then run the water slowly thru a garden hose for 10-12 hours, and it should be okay. Also, search Google for "shock well" and you'll get even better instructions.
Basically, though, you'll want the coliform correction done by the owner, before you close. I am pretty sure it is the law in Texas that you have to have potable water for a well.
Anyway, what a sigh of relief I felt for you. Hope you get a good deal on the place, and this turns out to be a very minor inconvenience on your way to a rural paradise.
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She said coliform
Thats why I asked before. It is relatively common. Just make sure you get a clean sample before you close. Here in Ohio, it must be negative for coliform before closing.
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Rik, Well you are prepared for any chloroform testing should it become required.
As regards coliform bacteria: I think it is bacteria that lives in the "gut" of warm blooded animals. If that is incorrect I'm sure we'll have someone stepping forward to correct it.
You may have heard about contamination of human consumables (food and drink) due to the presence of coliform bacteria, specifically e-coli. e-coli are a prime indicator of fecal contamination. This can be anything from improper septic operation/location to cattle grazing near the well and surface water leaking in to the well or a lot of other causes.
Super chlorinating the well (shocking it) will indeed kill the fecal coliform bacteria but will do nothing to ensure that the contamination will not be repeated. You could continuously chlorinate your well water and then use filters such as activated charcoal to remove the excess chlorination and its byproducts such as chloroform. I would personally be interested in knowing the source, quantity, and health risks of the fecal contamination and the prognosis for the various amelioration strategies that may be suggested by professional water quality folk. Maybe that is just me but I wouldn't be none to happy about fecal contamination in my water.
Don't let any real estate types pooh pooh any real concerns for the health and welfare of you and yours.
You might want to read here:
http://www.wellowner.org/awaterquality/coliform.shtml
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Pat, Hakim, and Jerry- Thank you very much for all of the information that you gave me. We are approaching these well issues more cautiously and armed with a bit more knowledge. I will post an update regarding the water status as soon as the well has been treated and tested again. I’ll definitely want another test prior to closing as well.
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This is a real common issue with rural wells. I put one cup of bleach per 100' of well depth in the well once a year.
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