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I have a dash indicator that tells you you are in 4WD high when you place the dash mounted switch in 4WD High position. OK, so far so good. Then when you switch to 4 WD low range the dash message still says 4WD High.
Anyone else experience that?
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/02/07 10:18 AM
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I have a 2008 F-250 SD as well. The trick for low range is to stop, place tranny in neutral, turn the switch to low and hold your foot hard on the brake. My indicator blinks until it is engaged. Do the reverse of the above to get it out of low range. Stop, neutral, switch to high or 2 wheel drive, hard on the foot brake. This has always worked for me, hope it works for you.
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Well, so much for electronically controlled switch on the fly 4x4!
Thanks pappy, I'll give that a try in a few minutes as I am going to drive up to my hay barn to move some feed.
Is your truck diesel? I still have to remind myself about the regeneration cycle as every time when parked running when I am hitching a trailer or whatever and the engine speeds up to a faster idle I first get nervous/concerned and then remember, OH YEAH, it is supposed to do that. I have only 2000 miles on it so I suspect I will get used to it over time.
I also have a Dodge/Cummins one ton which I thought had a fairly quiet cab until I started driving the Ford. This baby is as quiet as a gasser and accelerates like one too. I enhanced the Cummins a bit in HP , torque, and MPG too a llittle but the Ford would leave the Dodge in the dust at a drag race. Of course pulling a load is what the Dodge does best not racing around.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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"Well, so much for electronically controlled switch on the fly 4x4!
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They make it so you have to stop to engage 4 low so some idiot does not click it into 4 low going 60 MPH and tear the heck out of the transfer case.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/02/07 12:28 PM
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Jim, I know what you mean. There is no minimum IQ score below which you can't buy a 4x4.
I was trying to get the indicator to say 4WD Low and I was stopped but not in neutral with my foot on the brake. I may have been in park which might should have worked. Oh well. I ended up driving my tractor to the barn and then didn't get to use it so the test of Pappy's suggestion will have to wait.
I moved over a ton of feed in 5 gal buckets at about 34 lbs per bucket which went OK but early in the exercise I felt a stinging sensation in my pectoral muscle area. I knocked the wasp off with my hand and stepped on it but he had already drilled me. The exercise seemed to keep circulation up and it soon quit stinging but I have a nasty red welt. This is the first stinging insect to score on me in 10-12 years and that was when I impaled my hand on a dying bumble bee that fell onto a ladder rung I was climbing after spraying some of them.
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The XXXXX wasp got me three times this year. Once at the wind mill they had a nest inside the insulated pipe and I stuck my hand up to pusjh it closed and they got me about 3 times. And then they got under the hot tub bar and I did not see them and got me a couple more times. I could barely move my fingers. Those things a far worse to me than bees ever were.
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12/04/07 08:30 AM
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Jim, I still have the mark of the wasp but it isn't an angry red welt now and it doesn't hurt (24 hours later.)
Hey, Pappy, I "played" with my 4WD control switch. Here is what it appears to require for 4WD Hi to low and low to high transitions:
In both cases, shifting up or down, you have to be in neutral, stopped, and have your foot on the brake (sound familiar?), and wait for a couple seconds for it to change. Just going slow in neutral, even with your foot on the brake doesn't seem to do it. Looks like, as Jim suggested, it has been programmed to prevent screwups. I'm not sure exactly what scenarios I might get into where this could be a problem, especially since I'm not quite as much the wild and crazy off-roader I was previously.
Thanks again, Pappy, at least I know the "combination" required to transition it now.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/04/07 08:40 AM
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I thought had a fairly quiet cab
I do not even try to listen to the radio or Cd's when pulling a load!  Or carry on a conversation with a passenger. That's not so bad as I'm pretty quiet anyways.
I have used a headset to listen to Cd's though.
Pat; all you need is a different torque converter, larger injectors, a bigger turbo and some weight in the back and your Dodge is ready for the the stoplight games! Maybe a larger exhaust system too.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/04/07 08:46 AM
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I moved over a ton of feed in 5 gal buckets at about 34 lbs per bucket which went OK
I assume you are buying feed or having it ground at another location. This calls for a dedicated feed wagon/trailer with a side auger discharge chute.
As the herd increases in size the bucket brigade gets old real fast.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/04/07 10:09 AM
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Glad you found the combination. Don't feel bad as my son drove his new Expedition (same method of 4 wheel hi to low) in low range for 22 miles to my house cause he couldn't get it to shift out. After getting to my house, in 10 seconds, I had it out of low range and showed him the "secret." Now, you can become a "consultant" on the issue.
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12/05/07 08:15 AM
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Egon, I've had 4 inch exhaust on it since I first started in on it before it was a year old and a large free flowing muffler that is a bit louder.
Weight in the bed???? Don't you think the service body, contents of the cabinets, and the 65 gal fuel tank are enough? Basically weight alone is not a winner as the same weight that provides traction provides inertia to retard acceleration. Better weight distribution and weight reduction provide better acceleration.
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12/05/07 08:41 AM
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Egon, Nancy moved 4 drums of it, we did one together and then the next day I did a ton and the day after well over a ton. There is only maybe 2 - 2 1/2 barrels left to transfer. Herd size is not going to grow all that much and I have had a brain storm for doing all this transfer with no buckets next time.
I have fully intended to install a cyclonic dust collection system in my shop. So Al I need is a flex hose to vacuum the feed out of the trailer and into a drum. No mods to the dust collector. Just fill a drum roll thle drum away on its little dolly wheels and use the FEL to put the drum on the util trailer. Put the dolly wheels under the next empty and place under the cyclone. I won't need a bucket and the tractor will do all the heavy lifting.
The dump trailer is 7x12x2 feet and the load of feed was about 3.7 tons. My buddy is considering enlarging his top hatch to better access it with a 2x4 board to spread the top of the load to take a little more feed. That should reduce the part I need to take so he can take the whole load and qualify for a discount.
I tell you that 7400 lbs of feed at 34 lbs per bucket lifted over the side of the trailer while standing on the ground is a good exercise. That is about a 4 ft lift or more ending with your hands above your head. I made it easy for my wife by putting the barrels next to the trailer so she dumped from the trailer into the barrels which was way easier but the barrels have to be moved by tractor and there is no room to maneuver so I put the barrels where I wanted them and carried the feed to the barrels two buckets at a time, 5-6 trips per barrel.
I think the cyclone will be the hot setup as it will virtually eliminate the hard work. Of course it will not get the feed out of the barrels to the stock. But I have plans of feeding them at the barn where the feed is stored so that won't be too hard. If I feed them in other pastures I will use the FEL to put a barrel of feed in the pickup and just dip it out to them with a bucket, again, not too hard.
Again my thanks to Pappy for the instructions. All is well with the 4x4 low range now that Pappy helped me fix the short between my headsets.
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Pappy, What sort of override do you get on my consulting fees?
The most fun I ever had all at once as a consultant was driving in Baja California Mexico we came across two young couples in a brand new (still had the temp paper plates) 4x4 Land Cruiser. They had pulled off the road to use the 4x4 and were stuck nearly up to the axles. They waved us down and wanted to know if I would use my front bumper mounted winch to pull them out.
I said let me have a look at the vehicle first. I hopped in, TOOK OFF THE PARKING BRAKE checked to be sure it was in 4x4 and side stepped the clutch. sand flew all over them from all 4 wheels and the land Cruiser leaped up out of the sand and I drove it to the road and put it into 2 wheel high and shut it off.
They were very appreciative and extremely curious as to what I did to make it work. It seems they drove a little way off the road, parked it and got out to look at the cactus flowers and when they got back in the vehicle just dug in and wouldn't go.
I explained that was not surprising as they had not taken the parking brake off when they were trying to continue their off road adventure. It was their first 4x4 and they had no clue.
I felt only slight apprehension as we left them to their own devices.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/05/07 09:44 AM
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Been reading this thread with some bemusement.
Question 1: Did anybody look in their Owner's Manual?
Question 2: If so, didn't the manual explain the method? If it didn't, a letter to the mfr would be in order.
Don't mean to sound smart alecky, but it used to be that you could buy a new car and not have to read the manual. ALL functions were obvious. Nowadays, they've got all kinds of functions, switches, warning lights with mysterious uses.
Example: Daughter called last year and her new Jeep Grand Cherokee wouldn't go above 20 MPH. Was headed to the dealer. Told her to check the transmission PRND indicator on the dash. Normally it's on "D". Moving the console mounted shift lever left or right, will set the maximum gear range. Her indicator said "1" (first gear). No instructions from the dealer when she bought the car. Now she knows what the "+" and "-" to the left and right of the lever mean. Turns out she (or her dogs) bumped the lever. Now that WAS in the manual, but who reads the manual cover to cover when they buy a new car? Luckily, my wife had the same model and one day I was curious about the "+", "-" on the console and checked the manual.
Another example. Driving the wife's Grand Cherokee last Sat nite during first snowstorm of the year. Noticed button on dash with a graphic of the rear of the car and squiggly lines behind the tires. Pressed it and the same graphic lit up on the dash. Wasn't sure if that was a good thing or bad thing to do during a snowstorm. LOL. This thread reminded me that I have to check the manual tonite on that one.
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Posted on the other site but.
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Well we bought a new truck. A Chevy Avalanche so no one has to ask. I sit down at the table with my coffee and think I ought to read the owners manual. Hah! The thing is 680 pages long. Huhhh the operators manuals for none of the helicopters I ever flew were that big. There are over 30 pages of how to work the seat belts. Come on the ejection seat manual for an F16 ain't that big. I don't think there is a single page with out a big bold block saying you will be maimed or die if you don't follow these instructions precisely.
Yikes I don't recall more than two or three of those things in the operators manual for an M60 tank and it is designed to kill people. I read the instructions for how to calibrate the on board tire monitor three times...i am gonna just use my tire gauge. There can't be more than one person out of 10,000 na make it 50,000 that ever reads one of these things. Oh and I kinda wanted to know how the active fuel mangement sytem worked. The system where it shifts from 8 cylinders to 4 under light load... Not a word.
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Sounds perfectly normal to me. The manufacturers of those helicopters and the ejection seat in the F16 didn't have Ralph Nadar going after them and they didn't have lawyers all over the country looking for a way to sue them like the car manufacturers do.  It really has gotten ridiculous, hasn't it? 
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 Pat, in some transfer cases the planetary for low range has the low range outer gear attached to the front half of the case. In that situation, one set of teeth is totally stationary and one would be moving, making low range engagement almost impossible. By stopping and going to neutral, the slider can move and engage that stationary gear to the planets without breaking something. One of our Jeeps is that way and one isn't. This push button business is for high skool kids, it's levers for us old dogs. I even feel insulted when the transfer cases only have one lever so I split the Model 205 in my pickup to get the second lever back. I grew up shifting WWII GI six-bys that were the same age as me.  We used those GI transfer cases as "Oklahoma Seven Speeds" by going through the five main transmission gears with the transfer case in low range then shifting to high range and back to fourth and then up to fifth. We were real tough truckers back in them days with our GI hay haulers.
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Dave, I have only had one Jeep. It was a 1943 Ford. A previous owner had rebuilt the transfer case with DIY gears (worked for Convair and had access, no doubt, to a good machinist.) When their home brew stuff finally broke I tried to buy parts to fix it, my only time inside a transfer case. Stock gears would not mate with their custom so I changed out the whole transfer case for a new one still in its Korean war wrappings. It cost me $75.
I have two friends who both have deuces so I have driven them off road. This 2008 F-250 4x4 is the first electric-turn-a-knob-4WD I have ever driven. Hopefully it will work for a long time.
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After z'war, the US had oodles of GI vehicles in the Far East, and repair depots were set up in Japan to recondition them for Korea and to give the Japanese something to work on that halfway brought them back to the world of the living. Your Jeep transfer case was doubtlessly part of that enterprise. A former sailor told me that he saw stacks of Jeeps, still KD in crates, by the hundreds sitting on the docks in the Phillipines when the z'war ended. I can still remember seeing ads in magazines advertising army Jeeps for $50. Of course that was usually a come-on since everyone wanted to have a Jeep. The ad was really about some other thing. I knew a family whose house was built out of Jeep crates dragged home from a surplus depot where two guys assembled Jeeps eight hours a day.
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I can remember the urban myth of Jeeps for cheap.
Oh, you might have to replace all the rubber parts as they will have deteriorated and be sure to change the fluids but other than that they are essentially brand new in the crate, just give the shady character there at the back of the pool hall your cash deposit to hold yours until the freight cars they are shipped on is unloaded in a couple weeks. They are going fast so don't wait. Maybe buy 3-4 and sell a couple to pay for yours making them FREE and keep one for parts.
Variations of this story (and scam) circulated widely in the late 60's and 70's. I have NEVER EVER seen a new WW II style Jeep that came to private ownership in this manner.
The best deal I ever saw was a buddy of mine bought a "parts runner" duce at 29 Palms (Marine depot) that never got off the depot and was used to shuttle parts around the base. It was stock and pretty cherry. It has one of the multifuel engines. You made no adjustments, just pour in diesel, kerosene, regular gas, av gas (not the highest octane but the lower couple grades were OK), JP-4 and similar, paint thinner or whatever in whatever proportion and it just ran on it. It was made by Studebaker in 1952.
The only civilian evidence was the California Lisc plate which was easy to overlook. It had new canvas and he bought a snorkel kit for it. He used it for various things including an RV. Just use a fork lift to put a drum of potable water in it and a pallet load of firewood and head out into the desert.
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WWII trucks were made by several MGFs. REO, GMC, Chevrolet and of course Chewtabacker. Most of the Chews went to Russia where they were so well received that the Ruskies called them "King of the Road". The Studebakers had a hercules engine because the Stupidbaker engines were so dinky. That Herc made them quite a rig. They could be easily distinguished at 40 MPH by the slightly-more rounded cabs and the TIMKEN split-type axles.....no banjo center section like the GM 's had. BY FAR the best trucks were the GMC 2-1/2 tonners. Superb GMC 270 Six with the five speed behind that. The Shivel-A's had a 216 babbett beater six...YUK! After z'war the US collected the trucks from the Ruskies and took them to sea and dumped them. Of course many still stayed behind and remain to this very day. The multi-fueler/automatic shifters did not make WWII but appeared very shortly thereafter.
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Pat, here is a quiz for you..... In course of the epic battle for Stalingrad the Germans captured a Ruskie and took him to HQ for questioning. The CO's interrogator found something in this Russian's pocket that was very alarming, so much so that the CO knew that it portended defeat for the Wehrmacht. What did he find? No, ... it wasn't the key to a Chewtabacker truck.
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My Ford built 1943 military Jeep had the standard little Willys 4 banger. About 1970 When I bought the transfer case for $75 I bought 2 carbs for it, one to use and a spare for $6.50 each brand new.
My buddy's deuce with the multifuel engine was manual column shift with manual floor mount transfer case controls. IT was power steering (took loits of YOUR power to steer it) as it was totally manual with a LARGE diameter steering wheel to compensate.
I don't recall the RPM spread for shifting but he told my wife not to get under X RPM and to shift up before exceeding Y RPM. He let her drive it off road and on "gravel" mining roads where gravel was the size of your fist and larger. Until we bought a Rotary Mazda with auto she had not only never driven an automatic but always floor shift cars (MG, Karmen Ghia, VW Bug, Austin Healy, and so forth. She liked big ugly trucks so getting to drive the deuce was a thrill for her. One of her favorite museums is the truck museum Near Campo, California.
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Didn't the army move away from dual wheels after their experience with mud in WWII? Didn't they go to large, single wheels in the post WWII multi-fuelers? I think they may have gone back the other way now, I have sort of lost track. Well, Pat, have you got the answer to the quiz question yet? What did Von Paulus and his generals find on the Ruskie prisoner that upset them so much ?;)
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12/08/07 12:01 PM
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The current trend in real trucks is toward the HEMTT series. They generally look similar to this.
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12/08/07 02:30 PM
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Thanks for that photo, Jim.... what a rig! When I think about the geometry required for the tandem front axles, I get a headache. Ackermann steering times two!!! 
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12/08/07 04:41 PM
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The deuces that my friends have had all have 6 tires, 2 up front steering and 2 each on each of 2 rear axles, all driving or just the rear depending on levers.
I guess I missed out on the question about the what the Russian had in his pocket. Illuminate me, please.
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12/08/07 05:02 PM
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The Ruskie soldier had a can of SPAM in his pocket, an indication that the U-Boat blockade wasn't working and supplies from the US were getting into Russia via the ice-free port of Murmansk. The Germans couldn't count on the Russians running out of matriel and weakening defensively. Studebakers and Spam....what a combination!
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We had 2 Studes, a 55 which was traded in at 9 months of age for a 56 President. The Pres had the big Packard engine and under the hood, It was level full under there. It had BW auto tranny and ran like a scalded ape. It became my dad's oil field work car for a while) when he bought my mom a 59 Buick. The Stude was to heavy in front and he solkd it and got a Pontiac straight 8 with more capacity for hauling his lab and stuff (ran better on didstillate too.)
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We had 2 Studes, a 55 which was traded in at 9 months of age for a 56 President. The Pres had the big Packard engine under the hood, It was level full under there. It had BW auto tranny and ran like a scalded ape. It became my dad's oil field work car for a while) when he bought my mom a 59 Buick. The Stude was too heavy in front and was beating itself to death so he sold it and got a Pontiac straight 8 with more capacity for hauling his lab and stuff (ran better on distillate AKA "DRIP" too.)
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12/08/07 06:39 PM
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The LITTLE Chewtabacker V-8 ....not the Packard... I think it was about 289 Cu In. ..... was actually a great little engine. I used to like looking at the engine-turned dash in those Golden Hawks with the Stewart Warner instruments and the 160-MPH speedometer. No, they would not go around a corner with all that weight in front, but Oh, what a mill!
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12/09/07 08:28 AM
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I think I recall they put that pizaz mill in, with over drive manual tranny, the Lark too for a while. Realize, of course, I was only peripherally interested as I wasn't even in high school yet although in summers I would go to work with my dad because off the public roads on oil field roads I got to drive although too young for a learner's permit.
I recall the cooling in the 56 Stude was not the greatest. We'd park it headed into the wind so it wouldn't overheat at idle. Underway it was fine. Part of the overheat problem may have been due to timing adjustments for using the low octane free fuel but I'm just guessing in retrospect.
While you are dispelling myth... Try this... I recall that the Borg-Warner tranny had low, 2nd, and high AND a passing gear that was not 2nd but a separate ratio. For some reason it seemed as if the low you got when putting the selector in low was not the same ratio as the low you started out in if the selector was in (D)rive. Could it have been some sort of torque converter phenomenon like locked in one and not in the other? OR WHAT???
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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You've got a pretty good memory, Pat. That BW box had a planetary overdrive in the TAILSHAFT, engaged by a solenoid. Actually, I LIKED those transmissions. The OD was sort of like what the Ferds in the 50's used in their three-on-the-tree models, the passing gear was a button under the gas pedal which fed power to the solenoid and dropped the planetary in the tailshaft into the lower range. We used to devise all kinds of variations by putting the OD button on our floor shift conversion kits, .... you name it, we tried it.
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Dave, I didn't know the details and was a pre-teen when the car was bought but I recall when you pressed the accelerator to the floor it shifted into "passing gear" which was not 2nd gear but intermediate to 2nd and 3rd according to my dad. Similarly the low yo got when selecting low on the column shift you got a different low than the low you got in Drive position. I recall the car was comfortable and a good performer. I also recall that when you raised the hood it was level full of engine.
The '59 Buick was the first car of my parent's that I drove with a lisc. It was black with oodles of chrome. The tail fins started at the headlight rims and continued all the way back. I called it the Batmobile. It too had a "different" transmission. IT was one of those variable pitch things that adjusted according to throttle demand and road speed. It had no "shift points" and went from 0 to 130 without a specific shift, just a gradual change of ratio. Eerily smooth. People used to sort of hold their breath waiting for it to shift.
The engine was not normal either. The one we got was a factory mistake. They milled the heads too much and the compression ratio was extreme. The dealer offered to retrofit extra thick gaskets from the factory to drop it a bit. My dad declined. It was hard to find gas that wouldn't ping in it but when you found some it was a performer.
When I was a senior (17 years old) I discovered that when it was warmed up you could drive along at a steady 30-35 MPH and punch it to the floor while switching off the ignition and it would accelerate up to about 40-45 and continue running as a diesel. I never did that long enough to see how long it would run because it smelled terrible and wasn't running smoothly so I'd switch the ignition back on and it would revert to smooth running.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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12/10/07 11:01 AM
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I believe Buick called that transmission a Dynaflow, didn't they? In 1957, my Dad bought a 1953 Buick Super (first year I think with the V-8 engine). It was a very nice clean used car from the Buck dealer across the street from our service station. Then we put in the auto parts store in 1958 and the Oldsmobile dealer at the end of the block was a regular customer. Each year, he gave his mother a new car, carried it on the books as a "demo" for the year, then sold it. So when the 1960 models came out, Dad bought the 1959 Olds 88 sedan the dealer's mother had driven for a year. Of course the Olds had a hydramatic transmission so you felt it shift; quite different from the Buick. Mother even drove that Olds to Anchorage when they moved up there in 1965, and it had way over 100k miles on it when they sold it in 1966 and Dad bought a new 1966 Buick in Anchorage. Dad normally would never buy a new car; said to let someone else take that first couple of years of depreciation, but a Buck dealer went under in Anchorage and the bank was liquidating the inventory, so Dad got the new '66 Buick at actual dealer's cost.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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Bird, I'm not sure if the '59 Buick tranny was called a Dynaflow or not. I used to wonder if that tranny was robust enough to use in a race car or maybe an off road fun vehicle and thought it would be the cat's meow to be able to have the option of selecting a manual control of the variable ratio.
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Re: 4WD dash indicator on 2008 F-250 SUPER DUTY
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow
The history of that transmission.
It is interesting looking at the histories of various transmissions and the vehicles they were used in.
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The old Buick Dynaflows and the Chevrolet Powerglides in the early 50s were generally considered good long lasting transmissions but painfully slow on initial acceleration. However, I've seen a mechanic, who owned a Buick Dynaflow, stand on the brake with his left foot and get at least one rear wheel spinning by standing on the accelerator with his right foot at the same time. You know that had to put an incredible strain on the whole drivetrain.
Of course being a half-witted hotrodder in the late 50s and early 60s, I saw a number of amazing things happen; most of them while I owned a '56 Mercury Montclair convertible. An acquaintance had a '53 Corvette. You know in those days the Corvette was an inline 6 cyinder with 3 carburetors and a Powerglide transmission. I've driven it myself; could barely squeak a tire from a standing start, and I raced him with my Mercury. From a standing start, quarter mile drag, I could easily run off and leave him. From a rolling start at 50 mph, I could pull away from him until we got about to 80 mph, at which time he'd start gaining. And when I topped out at about 122 mph, he'd zoooommmm right on by me.
And for folks who didn't understand some of the differences in transmissions. The Mercamatic (I believe that's what they called it) had the sequence of P R N D L. It was a 3 speed and if you started off normally in drive, you were actually starting in 2nd and it would only shift once. But if you stomped the accelerator to the floor, it would downshift to 1st gear and would shift to 2nd at about 25 -30 mph. Under full acceleration, then it would shift out of "passing gear" or 2nd at about 65 mph. But for drag racing, put the gearshift in "L" so you started in 1st gear, leave it there to 40 mph, shift to "D" and immediately back to "L" without ever letting up at all on the accelerator. When you shifted to "D", it would upshift to 2nd and when you shifted back to "L" that would lock it in 2nd. I'd go to 80 mph and shift back to "D".
A friend's dad had a '57 Chevy that the friend thought was fast, so we had a little drag race, and I beat him pretty easily. So he wanted to know about that shifting I did, and I told him. Then he wanted to try me again. I didn't explain to him about the differences in the transmissions. The Chevy still had the P N D L R sequence on the column. You can probably guess by now what happened. We both took off in "L" and at about 40 mph, I shifted to "D" and back to "L", just as he shifted from "L" to "D" and then down to "R".  His rear tires squalled, he was thrown forward against the steering wheel, but did have the presence of mind to shove the gear shift lever back up into "D". That was one scared teenager, afraid he'd damaged daddy's car, but apparently no real damage was done.
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Hey Egon, Thanks for the link. Very interesting. The 59 Buick tranny was definitely smooth as a baby's bottom and in those days MPG was not a giant issue so efficiency was not first consideration. Although my parents were blissfully unaware, my sister used to drag race the car unmercifully. When the tranny finally had a problem it was when I was driving it very conservatively.
My mom had to drive it shifted into low for 22 miles to get to garage. Luckily for me the mechanic said the failure was not necessarily connected to recent history and would have happened just as easily if she were driving it. Saved me from a fate worse than death.
It was a neat car and really did resemble the Batmobile, at least a little.
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