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I bought a #5 shade for using with tha plasma cutter but there was a warning with it stating not for protecting your eyes from the rc rays of arc welding. So can one or more of you welding experts comment on plasma cutting eye protection? The manual with my cutter said #4 or #5 but the welding supply only had #5 (intended for a gas torch I think.) Is there a problem?
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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I've been using dark O/A glasses for 2 1/2 years with my 40 AMP Miller. I think they are #5. I haven't noticed any problems with vision or even sun burn. I can weld for 10 minutes with my MIG and get tender areas on my arms. I cut a lot of dirty 3/8" and 1/2" bolts with mine and the arc is sticking out almost an inch when I cut. For normal cutting most of the arc will be under the metal. Be careful with Aluminum or Stainless, the reflecting will be more intense.
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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Stimw, I started using the #5 glass and it helps. I can see the chalk markings and other details much better with indoor lighting with the #5 than my auto-darkening helmet switched off.
Cut my first sheet metal with the plasma. Man oh man, talk about like a hot knife through soft butter... I like the edge it leaves, no fishooks. You can rub the edge with your finger and not come close to being cut, way safer than handling metal cut with snips.
With the #5 I can see well enough to free hand. Beforre I made circle templates to make round cuts and used straight edges for guides for straight cuts. Templates still are a super neat and easy way to do good work but it is GOOD to be able to see what you are doing and be able to free hand as well.
I will be making curved two piece guides for the saddle cuts on the ends of pipes where you weld two pipes together in a "T" or "Y" configuration. I was N E V E R able to make a satisfactory saddle freehand with O-A cutting torch, even though I bought one of those hinged templates. To guide my plasma torch the template has to be at least about 3/4 inch thick.
The 40A Miller sounds like a SERIOUS piece of gear. My little HyperTherm unit maxes out at 27A and I suspect I paid way too much for it compared to some of the stuff I have seen advertised. 40A units under $500 and 60A units for under $800. Even combination units that do plasma, TIG, etc.
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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I got one of those 60 amp combo units. I love it. A friend of mine is a distributor and also sells some on ebay and I got mine from him. Does arc and tig though I havent used it yet for either, just for cutting so far. I figure to try some tig this winter. Got a project in mind where it would be great to do the tig welding on it rather than mig or arc. Most of my welding in the past has been with mig and I have a couple of mig welders. Torch welding I never did much. Mostly use the torch for cutting where I cant take the plasma.
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HMMMM, I haven't actually seen one of the combo units. Is there much capability lost to compromise?
The instruction manual with my 40 amp (max) Hypertherm unit cautions against shooting the plasma into the air and not being in close proximity to the work piece. My torch is designed to be dragged along in light contact with the work. This is a good thing for me as it makes me way steadier to be able to contact the work and not try to hold a 1/16 inch or whatever gap. Still, I prefer to use a "fence" to guide me for straight cuts and templates for circles and such. I'm no artist with the torch and can't freehand neat circles and pipe saddles and such. I have trouble enough cutting to a curved soapstone line. I may make me some templates/guides for standard pipe sizes to guide the torch when cutting a saddle. The trick will be cutting out the guide without a guide to make that cut.
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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HMMMM, I haven't actually seen one of the combo units. Is there much capability lost to compromise?
Not that I have seen. But then, I havent used another plasma cutter prior to getting mine other than trying the same model out over at my buddies house so I am no expert on it. It does what I need it to do so am satisfied with it. I used it to cut a 1.5 inch bent bolt off a piece of equipment. Not something it was exactly designed for but it worked quite well though it took a couple of passes to cut all the way through.
It can be used as a touchless or dragging it. You dont need to touch it to the piece to strike the arc, which works quite well. I am VERY unsteady trying to freehand any cut. Looks like waves on the ocean and lots of grind time.
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Sounds like you definitely have the power to get 'er done. Contact is not a requirement for my torch either but the tip is designed to let you drag it which is an advantage for me as I have trouble maintaining a close and constant gap while moving quickly. I can do it with my MIG but the rate of advance is much less.
Just curious but does your handle, Goldchaser, relate to a hobby activity such as promoted by the Gold Prospectors Association of America? Been there, done that, had fun, but didn't change my tax bracket.
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Just curious but does your handle, Goldchaser, relate to a hobby activity such as promoted by the Gold Prospectors Association of America? Been there, done that, had fun, but didn't change my tax bracket.
Hahaha....good guess, Pat. Yep....same as you...been there, done that and definately didnt raise my tax bracket. Actually, if you counted time, cash spent, equipment...I lost money. But gained alot of knowledge and had fun. Still have some of the equipment but dont get out to do much. So many restrictions now and hard to find a place to just pan a bit for fun where you have a chance of finding something. I actually own the internet domain of the same...Goldchaser.com. I have a basic webpage up there, just for a lark for now.
This plasma cutter I have is perfect for me. Enough power to do heavier cuts if needed and plenty for doing anything else. And its not too bad on the consumables either. I still havent run through the 1st batch of consumables I got with the machine. Not what was included in the box, bought an extra batch. If interested in something like it, let me know and I can PM you with his email address and link to his auctions. Not here to sell the things though, so no misunderstandings on that. But I can recommend the units and the service is great even if he is a friend, he takes service of the units his priorty. And he has good prices. I think he is now branding them with his own brand and specifications.
I dont use mine as much as I could, but my neighbor borrowed it for a few days to dismantle an old stock trailer. He raved about it when he brought it back. Trying to remember offhand but I do believe at full power it has a 60% duty cycle and at half power its at a 100%. Regardless, whether this or another type or brand, I dont know how I got along without it. And being able to do TIG welding with it, when I do have time and motivation to learn to do it, is a big plus without having to buy a seperate unit. Well, guess I have raved enough myself on it.
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Note, I said didn't CHANGE my tax bracket! Neither up nor down. 
I have my jacket patch, cap, and pan and directory of locations but haven't used any of this stuff in years.
I recall panning near an old dredging operation in Alaska. A buddy and I got sunburned necks leaning over a water trough panning dirt we dug near where the huge gold dredge used to operate. I got a few itsy bitsy small flakes that you need 20-20 vision and a magnifying glass to appreciate.
I once designed a wet suit heater for an electronics technician I had hired who worked to get a grubstake, went out chasing gold till he went broke or found gold and then went broke and then he'd get a job to make a grubstake and do it all again.
He used a portable Keene dredge and wore a wet suit and had a hookah rig. His limiting factor was time in the cold water prior to hypothermia. I designed a heat recovery unit that used the heat from his engine that ran the suction dredge and his air pump to heat his wet suit. He could stay in till he ran out of gas for the engine or got tired or hungry.
I was never into gold in a big way or even a serious hobby, just messed around a few times with pans. The membership was a birthday present from a good buddy who used to go camping with us and who had wasted time along side me panning.
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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Hi Pat, Even though this thread is well over a year old, I was a weldor in a previous life and learned the plasma operation the hard way. One of the shop clowns told me to use no eye protection other than impact resistant safety glasses. One of the shop supervisors stopped me after only a few minutes and admonished me to use UV protection. In our case that meant one of the following:3 or greater colored face shield, auto darkening hood at any level including "off" (still supplies 11+ protection), or any standard welding lens.
We had 20A, 60A, and 200A plasma cutters, the 200 would cut at least 3 inch plate without a groan. I found that I needed full welding protection on any but the 20A, and was comfortable on the 20A with a 3 or my auto darkener off.
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Bob, Please jump into any of my threads, old new, or indifferent. In this case there was recent activity but to get recent activity in a thread someone has to post to an old one, WHICH I INVITE!
A good friend of mine told me about something in his metal class in school. The instructor described how you look at the puddle not the arc and such. The students went to try their hand at striking and holding an arc to weld some little pieces of steel. One of the students complained that although he did it OK at first he couldn't see to do it now. HE DID NOT USE A WELDING SHIELD, just safety goggles. Apparently thought safety glasses made it safe.
We the unwilling led by the unknowing...
I almost weld by braille since I use as dark a shade as I can and still sort of do OK. Mostly with the plasma all I see are some sparks on the backside. With fences to guide me or templates I can do just about as good with my eyes shut as open.
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Note, I said didn't CHANGE my tax bracket! Neither up nor down.
Hahahaha, well, I likely did lose some money. So I guess you could say mine did change.
I thing I went out maybe a dozen times. I had a 4 inch dredge and a small packpack dredge, a drywasher, one of those spiral powered pans and other odds and ends. Got rid of the bigger dredge after a while. Too much work as far as I was concerned for an old fart like me. Still have the little backpack dredge and the spiral pan and the drywasher and such, though I havent used any of them in a couple of years now. I had planned on going up into the mountains this summer for a week of relaxation and doing a bit of prospecting, but it didnt pan out.
Since I really dont have time or inclination to go prospecting much anymore I am thinking of just selling what equipment I have off come spring except for maybe the spiral pan and a couple of pans. I dropped my membership a couple of years ago since I really wasnt using it anymore. About all I do now is do some metal detecting locally and thats about it. I have an older Garrett CXIII that I enjoy using. Found some pretty neat stuff with it.
REgarding eye protection, I guess if I just use a #4 or 5 I should be ok then with the plasma? I have been using my auto-darkening and like you, having a hard time seeing anything. So am going to go get a #5 plate for my other shield. I still want to have the face protection. Even though most of any spatter is blown down by the airflow it does sometimes bounce back.
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Even though most of any spatter is blown down by the airflow it does sometimes bounce back.
Grow more beard! I have been using the plastic brazing goggles that take a a one piece welding glass. I like it better than the little Gomer glasses with separate lenses. I probably should use a face shield over top but don't. I wonder if you can get a #5 shade in a plastic full face shield. That would be good as it would not clash with my prescription glasses.
I never got into gold in a big way, no dredges, not even a rocker box, just pans. My biggest dredge experience was just making the hot water setup for my technician. I tested it in winter time under my boat in water a bit over 50 degrees and had oodles of reserve capacity so turned him loose with it to use in winter in the icy water of gold country (California) in winter. Essentially it was just surgical tubing led to all the right spots in a wet suit. You have a couple valves for control, one for hot and one for ambient (COLD!) and you just let the warm/hot water dump into your wet suit and escape at the cuffs. Really has to be experienced to be appreciated. If you SCUBA you probably are familiar with the warm glow achieved by certain actions. This is even better and lasts and lasts.
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Thanks Pat, I was also taught over 40 years ago to grow a mustache so that you knew where to stick your tongue when a spark, dingle berry, or piece of hot slag hit you in the face! Bob
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row more beard! I have been using the plastic brazing goggles
I had replied to your post above, but it seems to have disappeared, anyway, what I had said was, I used to have a beard. Was doing a vertical weld and now I have a fair sized patch on my chin where hair wont grow. I was lucky there was a bucket of water handy. I ended up being called "Smokey" in the shop thereafter. So no more beards for me.
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Ah, burnt beard syndrome. A common problem among those of us with hair on our faces who DO NOT use a good OSHA approved fire retardant in aerosol or the HD cream version.
Some guys use the anti-splatter aersols but they aren't labeled for the purpose and aren't nearly as good.
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Ah, burnt beard syndrome. A common problem among those of us with hair on our faces who DO NOT use a good OSHA approved fire retardant in aerosol or the HD cream version.
Some guys use the anti-splatter aersols but they aren't labeled for the purpose and aren't nearly as good.
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Umm...well, I was a relative newby at the time...been almost 25 years ago at a small shop up in Montana. I was teased pretty good about it for a while. Then the guy who was the worst about it forgot to tie his bandana on top of his head one morning and set his hair on fire. Till I left that shop, me and that guy were known from then on as Smokey and the Bandit. You know how that goes.
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Dennis, Yes I know, I knew a sheriff's deputy who was in hot pursuit on a back road and lost it in a curve and went into a pond. He will probably be "Flipper" till he retires, and then some.
I love it when something happens like your worst antagonist having a worse "forest fire" than you.
I have collected a number of nicknames over the years, mostly obvious ones and mostly more temporary even if repeated by an entirely new group of associates but we won't go into these just now.
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Hey Pat, its almost like karma when that happens to someone who is not your best friend, so to speak. Whats ironic is that it happens more often than not. Like you, I have picked up my share of nicknames over the years. Some deserved... Some not.. But I guess its human nature to enjoy seeing someone get paid back a bit.
And whats funnier is that in the incident I mentioned, we ended up becoming fishing buddies. He is the one also who got me interested in prospecting. He had a gold claim that we ended up working together off and on until I left the state.
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Dennis, I try to never burn bridges and it has been a lucky thing for me more than once. There was one guy I really was taking a dislike for but the heart of the conflict turned out to be not our personalities, but our roles and temporary goals (related to those roles.) We ended up pretty congenial going flying, sailing, and SCUBA together, activities which put you in close quarters under sometimes demanding conditions or where you may rely on each other in a life-at-stake way.
When joining a new group with an established pecking order, group members often jockey for position trying to establish just what your position in the pecking order is. OF course some will see you as a threat, at least at first, and mellow when they find you are interested in making things work, not prosecuting a personal agenda.
For a while I was a cutting edge disk drive manufacturer's quality engineer answering directly to the VP and not staffed under any of the departments and I had all the troops; the test technicians, the production staff, and the engineering staff united for the first time in a long time in a common effort of self protection FROM ME. It took a while but eventually they came to believe I was not there to fix the blame but to fix the problems so we could all succeed. I never had anyone mention any of my behind the back nicknames where I could actually catch the comment. My guess is they may have been interesting.
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Hey Pat,
Yea, I am alot like you in that respect. It takes alot to get to me and I try to get along with folks. I took over management of a small production plant shortly after I got out of the service. The new guy, of course, and looked at closely. And went the route of being sabatoged by several underlings who had been up for the job I got. And since I was the outsider, well, you know what likely went on. Ended up getting a good working relationship going with everyone, but it was the toughest job I had ever had.
I had had charge of people in the service but I was taken by surprise by civilian life on the job.
Got my little tractor running today finally. Was given it by a friend who had left it sitting, non running, outside for 8 years. Only took me about a month to get it going. And wasnt anything major that needed fixing. He said he couldnt get it started one time, had tried again and still couldnt and gave up on it. And there it sat for 8 years. A while back he asked me if I wanted it, just for hauling it away and I said SURE!!!! I know he is kicking himself now. I drove it up to his place this afternoon.
And all I could find that likely caused the problem of him not being able to start it was the pos battery cable was grounding out on the frame intermitantly. That was it. Now, I had to do a bunch of other minor repairs after it sat all those years, but all in all it was in great condition. Goes to show just how sturdy those little Japanese tractors are. Attaching a photo of it.
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Dennis, Great story. I suppose you changed most or all of the fluids as after 8 years of breathing in and out any vented cavities could have a lot of condensation. Those things are supposed to have a good little diesel with decent parts availability. Probably don't want to rub his nose in it too much.
Yeah, in the military there is a lot of talk about leadership but much of what masquerades as leading is pushing via orders. Of course this is only surmise on my part as I was never in the military, I was in the Air Force! Civilians don't always respond well to orders but leading by example is pretty effective.
In my free lance consultant period I constantly found disgruntled people who were bitter because I was being payed to tell management the same thing they may have already told management.The difference being they had already told management several things or every possible thing and I told them ONE THING. If nothing else it was independent confirmation of which of the many suggestions might be THE SUGGESTION.
Congrats on the tractor success. I have only been skunked by one attempted engine resuscitation. It was a hand cranked Stuart Marine (British) 1 1/2 HP 2 stroke direct sea water cooled inboard aux for a small (17'3' overall length) sailboat. Once disassembled and not able to find parts I eventually sold the boat sans engine. The removable hand crank was connected to the flywheel by a pair of bicycle sprockets and chain. It had a Lucas magneto, and a centrifugal clutch and no reverse gear. Before it got really sick it served to motor sail us out to Catalina Island from Long Beach a couple times and out to Los Islas Todos Santos, home of world class big wave surfing such as "KILLER'S", off the coast of Ensenada, Baja California Norte, Mexico.
My failure to resuscitate the engine predated the internet and so I had no access to such sources as:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/history/Stuart/stuart_marine_engines.htm
Which could have made life easier.
Pat
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I suppose you changed most or all of the fluids as after 8 years of breathing in and out......
Pat, yea I did. I figure to put about 10 hours on it and then change them all out again. By then any crud that can be worked loose will be and then run it till warm and drain the engine and tranny, change out the filters again and I suppose change out the front axle oil as well. Then I think I will go ahead and repaint it. The paint has been weathered pretty good and there are a few rust spots.
I wont rub it in much to my friend. Just a little. I appreciate him giving this to me too much. I have been wanting one of these little tractors for a long time. And he gave me the front end loader for it as well as a finish mower and posthole digger that he had for it as well. Those had all been in a barn. But he could have sold those seperate if he had wanted to. So I owe him...alot more than he realizes. Never had anyone give me something like this. I mean, I have given away alot of things over the years. Some of it I guess you could say was valuable, maybe not to me. But I guess value of anything is relative. Like the old saying goes..."one mans junk is another mans treasure".
I dont think leadership in the military and leadership in civilian life are the same at all. You learn decision making skills in the army but you are supposed to be able to lead simply by the rank you wear on your sleve or shoulder. Of course they have the various leadership schools in the military, but the skills needed and used in the military are in many ways far different than those skills and abilities needed in civilian life. I was totally unprepared for the difficulties I faced when I took that first job.
That engine on the link looks fascinating. Something like that would be a trip to rebuild. I do envy you being able to get out on the ocean out there. The one thing I miss. My wife and I lived out in Isla Vista just outside Santa Barbara for a short time. It was just before I took that factory job. My cousin had talked me into going out there when I first got out of the army. He was an engineer out there. We loved the weather and being on the coast. Did alot of fishing and some boating. My cousin now runs a charter boat out of Santa Barbara. Typical californian boatnic I guess you could say. Its a different lifestyle out there. Everything seems to be alot more laid back out there.
Dennis
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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Ah, Isla Vista... IT took a while before the little gray cells got it together and remembered why Isla Vista had a familiar ring to it. That is where the radical students burned down the Bank of America.
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Re: Eye protectioin for plasma
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That is where the radical students burned down the Bank of America.
I do believe you are right. But at UC there, they were/are the majority. Downtown Isla Vista...3 or 4 Tofu palaces.. a cafe and a healthfood style mexican cafe........and dont even ask. (spew)
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