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OK, I'll admit that I don't keep my mostly indoor dog's nails trimmed back enough, or often enough.  They usually don't get trimmed until we notice her slipping on the hard surface floors.
Anyway, when I trimmed them last night I cut too close and nicked the vein in the nail. Now I've had this happen before and I can usually hold a paper towel on the nail and get the bleeding stopped OK. But last night it was more difficult than usual. And having to take her out in the snow melt didn't help any either.
What's a good product to stop the bleeding? I'm sure that there is something that works well. I told my lovely wife that she'd better plan on taking the dog to the Vet. or a groomer from now on, but I don't think that will fly.
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I don't know what it's called, but you can get this white powdery stuff at most pet stores to put onto the nail to stop the bleeding.
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After I posted, I checked the website for PetSmart and found a product called KwikStop. It apparently is available in different forms and package sizes. Might stop by tonight so I have some on hand.
Thanks for the input.
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A Styptic Pencil, like you would use for shaving works well also.
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Super glue would also work.
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I remember the first time I cut a dogs nails too short. I never imagined so much blood.  It was pulsing and shooting about a foot. I started to wonder exactly how much blood could be in a 90 pound yellow lab. It looked like a massacre had taken place.
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Well, I use an electric shaver, so no styptic pencils. I do remember my Dad having those on hand though.
And I've used super glue on myself during my model airplane building days, but none on hand. I would have grabbed that if I'd had any.
I'm going to stop by Petsmart on the way home and get some of that KwikStop stuff they have on their website.
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I've used Quik Stop for my dogs for years. It works great.
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If you have corn starch on hand that will work, too.
And like Egon already said, super glue. I hold the powder on to get the bleeding stopped and then paint it with Crazy Glue, which you can get with a little brush on it like fingernail polish.
I had a customer recently pay $228 dollars to the vet for a nail trim Of course it was extensive. The dog was put under and the nails were taken back to where they should be and cauterized. I was told his Lab could hardly walk anymore the nails had gotten so bad.
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I did end up using some corn starch to get the blood to stop. But then had nothing to seal it with. When we took her out later that night, the moisture from the recent snow got it started again.
I've obtained some "KwikStop" type pads from PetsMart and now have them available in case of future need. 
My problem is that I don't trim them often enough. Not too proud of that, but until she starts making noise on the hard surface floor it just never comes to mind. 
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I do the dogs when I do my own toenails....seems to work out about right.
Here's my wife's characterization of the process:
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Toe nail trimming, both sides of the story........
What I say happened
I got out the trimmers and the dogs all acted like it was the end of their lives. Some were resigned to it, others screamed in pain before I even touched their feet. All survived unhurt.
What the dogs say happened
She came at us with a chain saw. Those of us not paralyzed with fear tried to avoid having our paws cut off by running away and/or crying out. There was an ambulance and a helicopter standing by to transport injured dogs to the hospital to get paw transplants. It was horrible. After we returned from the intensive care unit, we got treats.
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Sounds about right Hank!
I guess it's worse when you're on the receiving end. And the treats always help.
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Rofl!
You might try flour; I've had that recommended to me for clipping rabbit's nails.
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Not to get off topic but in days gone by flour was used to stop bleeding on farm animals that had gotten into contact with barbed wire.
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Thanks for the additional information. I suspect the corn starch would have worked except for the wet ground.
I've stocked up on the KwikStop pads and am now prepared for future trimmings.
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Poling calves gets to be a bloody affair sometimes with streams shooting out several feet. For the real gushers that can't be controlled wilth the powder sold for that use, a hot (modern version is electric) cauterizing iron. It looks a lot like a big electric soldering iron. Most dogs would NOT enjoy the experience. Uhh, the calves never diid either. And they didn't get treats and praise either.
I was the official nail trimmer for our dogs and can offer this advice. DO NOT... I repeat for emphasis... D O ... N O T wait so long between trimmings. Waiting to hear the claws on the floor is toooo long. When you trim more frequently you don't have to be so aggressive and the likelihood of getting blood is greatly reduced. I know some dogs, irrespective of treats and praise, will not appreciate the experience but more frequent trimmings is better for the dog, whether or not they appreciate it. In my experience it seemed the "quick" and live tissue with a blood supply, stayed back better (farther from the tip of the trimmed nail) better with frequent trimming.
I never personally had to resort to pet tranquilizers for nail trimming but know folks who did with good results. My Great Dane, Thor, was 6'5" when he stood up on his hind legs and put his forepaws on my sholders and weighed 180 lbs at 8 months. If I were going to give one of my dogs a "trank" it would have been Samara, the female Afghan Hound, a nervous bitch who whined at the least discomfort. Her son, Sungold, was out of the envelope for Afghans and except for being at least mildly retarded (in my opinion) was much more "pain resistant."
If I had to trim little snippy dogs, I'd probably trank them into submission. Mother's little helpers... Please, more of theese... The Beatles had it figured.
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I wonder if the Dremel MotoTool with a sanding band would work better than a clipper. I've seen them in the pet supply catalogs being sold for that purpose. They can be quite noisey though, and at a high frequency too.
Anyone used one of those?
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That little bit with the calves jogged my memory, maybe not.
But with the dehorning process, I recall where the blood would shoot out and hit the walls on all sides.
If I remember correctly, which is somewhat in doubt as this happened over 45 years ago, they would use cobwebs to stem the flow of blood. My memory of this is quite foggy but who knows the difference between reality and imagination in a pre school kid .
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I use a dremmel also, with the course barrel sander, but of course the dog needs to get used to it. It works very well and you can round the edges of the nail, which makes the nail look like more was trimmed off. It is much more time consuming because you need to go from nail to nail, taking just a little off, so you don't overheat one. My Ridgeback, who will yipe when he sees a nail clipper, will hold perfectly still to have them ground.
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D'Dog, Luckily dogs nails don't spew like a calf having its horn nubs nipped and so don't need the HD cauterizing iron. I knew spiderweb was strong and used for various things (black widow was used for cross hairs in scopes and the like) but never heard about cobwebs as a coagulant/wound sealant. What counts is if it works. Nothing like performance to prove usefulness.
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never heard about cobwebs as a coagulant/wound sealant
I may be wrong, but I thought cobwebs were pretty popular for that purpose, on humans, in the 1800s.
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Gary, My hearing used to go to 21.5KHz in one ear and about 20.5 in the other. I used ear muffs or plugs to run my Dremel. I though about using it on the dogs but reconsidered as dogs don't like you messing too seriously with there ears like trying to put in ear plugs.
I have a flex shaft for a Dremel as well as one that plugs into a Dremel brand Jigsaw. I suppose you could put the Dremel in a sound absorbing enclosure and use the flex shaft to do the deed. Otherwise you better have a calm or deaf dog.
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Well, I out weigh the dog by a serious margin, so maybe I could just pin her down and let my wife do the trimming.
Not serious about that. I do think the whineing noise, from the Dremmel not the dog, would be the annoying part. I do have two of the diamond imprgnated bands that I picked up a while back. I'm certain they'd do a good job.
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Bird, I'll take your word for it. It was before my time!
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Gary, I don't recall the comedy movie but one of the scenes was someone getting a pedicure and the operator was using something lke a 7 inch angle grinder and was producing a shower of sparks.
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Well, I am not quite that old, but it is a good sign that my memory is not failing completely.
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In reply to:
I do think the whineing noise, from the Dremmel not the dog, would be the annoying part.
Not any more than a dentist's drill 
Actually the smell is the worse thing, for me anyway. That "burning hair/skin" smell seems to linger, too.
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I didn't think I still had this website in my favorites, but here it is for what it's worth.
Grinding a dog's nails
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Thanks Fred. I read and bookmarked the page for future use.
Perhaps this weekend I'll see how she reacts to the noise. My BIL has a battery unit and that would be more convenient to use.
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Fred, I bought the clippers and clipped our last dog's toenails myself a few times (a rat terrier) and I did make him bleed pretty badly once. Neither he nor I enjoyed that chore even when I didn't make him bleed. So I read the article in that link and wondered how my Dremel would work. I also visited PetSmart yesterday and looked at all the nail clippers and files they had, but decided to not buy anything. Now if I were grinding the toenails of a Doberman, as that lady was, I'd approach that job very carefully as she described  , but we just have a Chihuahua now and her sharp little toenails definitely needed some pruning so I figured she couldn't chew me up too badly if she didn't like the Dremel, so I tried it out today. Now it ain't easy to hold any part of her still enough because she's always a bundle of energy and likes nothing better than to "play fight" with me; just snapping and biting all the time, but never in anger or hard enough to hurt unless you happen to jerk away at the wrong time and then her sharp little teeth will definitely bring blood. But she's no more afraid of the Dremel than any other toy and didn't seem to mind at all when I was grinding a bit on her toenails. Unless something unexpected happens, it looks like that's the way I'll be going from on. 
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Glad you had a good experience! Is your Dremel corded or battery?
Might be an excuse to buy another tool.
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Gary, my Dremel is an old Christmas gift from years ago; a "model 770, type 1" 7.2 volt, 2-speed. I used the slower speed; 7,500 rpm, and the small sanding drum.
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Glad everything worked out for you, Bird.
My dremel is pretty old... about 30 years anyway, but works well, too. By coincidence, we were just discussing nail trimming on a list I am on and I was told that there is a small grinding tool at Walmart that is pretty quiet for around $20. Maybe Wahl? I've never used a dremel on a dog as small as a Chi. I think the hardest part would be grabbing a hold of a toe to stabilize it when the drum sander hits it. I use regular toe nail clippers on cats and small dogs and they work well, but a small cordless dremel-type tool might be in order.
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Fred, I guess I can't really say for sure that this is going to work. I just very lightly did each of the dog's nails to see how she'd react. I still need to do a little more to each of them. And yes, holding onto them is the biggest problem. She didn't seem to mind the Dremel at all, but she's skirming and wanting to play all the time.
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we grind nails via a dremel the cordless version works best (its low speed so it doesnt heat the nail up as much which is irratating for the dog) and is like $20 at wally world.
it took us a couple of months for the dogs to get use do it. Zeus (the brown one) doesnt mind at all, Stacy (the yellow) doesnt care for it much but knows she has no choice so reluctanly puts up with it. (mostly has to do with the fact we started zeus as a pup and stacy when she was about 2)
I do ours about every 2 weeks (or less). The advantage with grinding is you dont have to worry about cutting into the quick and if you do start to get close to it the dog WILL let you know.
As a reminder if your dogs are walking on a hard surface and you can hear their claws clicking, they are 2 long.
NOTE: if you havent handled your dogs feet in the past they generally dont like it and you will have to let them know that you WILL be handing there feet and it WILL be accepted.
you might have to spend a week or 2 just working with the dog handling feet before you try to bust out the dremel on them.
Dont try to do all 12-14 nails the first time, start with 1 paw, or just 1 or 2 nails and over a week or more work your way up to doing more and more. After a few months they should accept it as normal routine. NOTE: if you have diggers it will help discourge the digging as its not nearly as fun when you dont have any fingernails (least thats the case with mine)
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Re: Dog's Nails & Clipping
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I've found that I use both the nail clippers and my cordless dremel at different times.
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