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WildBill99
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Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
08/11/04 03:43 PM
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I just started and I have seen lots of different dosages out there. I did less then half what the dosage is for cows and put it on a piece of bread instead of injecting it. I used .3cc's for my 110 lb dog. I just started this with my dogs and was wondering if anyone else had done this for years and had any tips.
-NOTE- Collies (and possibly australian shepards) can die from ivemec. BTW, heartguard is just low doseage ivemec. Apparently there is something else out there for them. All other breeds are supposed to be fine.
Bill
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Re: Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
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08/11/04 07:58 PM
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I don't use it, yet... but here is some info that may steer you in the right direction. I know lots of dog folk who use it on their own pets....
Directly from handbook of veterinary drugs, second edition. This book is a widely used veterinary formulary. "Ivermectin (Heartgard, Ivomec, Eqvalan) Indications: Ivermectin is used for the eradication of demodectic, sarcoptic, Otodectic, and Cheyletiella mites in dogs. It has also been used in the treatment of Capillaria aerophila and is marketed for the prevention of canine heartworm[Heartgard]. The drug has been used as a microfilaricide in heartworm disease. In fact, ivermectin has been shown to be effective against heartworm infection when 1 year of monthly prophylactic dosing is started as late as 4 months after infection. In cats, the drug has been used inn the treatment of ear mites Cheyletiella blakei, Physaloptera preputailis, Demodex, and fleas." These organisms listed are mange mites, ear mites, lung worms, heartworms, roundworms, hookworms and whipworms. I think that pretty much takes care of everything except tape worms. The method needed to kill tapeworms is different than the way ivermectin works. Now for the adverse effects from the Handbook of Small Animal Practice, third edition. "Adverse Drug Reactions: Ivermectin: Anorexia, vomiting, diarrhea, depression, ataxia, seizures." Now that is widely excepted published material used by veterinarians all over the country. I have also heard of severe liver disease in dogs given large over doses over long periods of time. You must also be very careful about giving this drug to sighthounds and collies, in these breeds ivermectin can cause severe reactions. You use the injectable cattle or swine form of ivermectin orally in the dog. Make sure you have calculated the correct dose. If you give the same amount that is incorporated in Heartgard, you would give 0.27 ml for a 50-100lb dog. that amount can be given mixed with anything to taste better, or straight, or it can be given subcutaneously. I personally use Pro Heart 6 injectable for my hounds. About the old standard of 1/10cc for 10 lbs of body weight. The proven dose for 50-100lb dog is 0.272cc This is the amount of ivermectin in Heartgard. So if you have a 50-80lb dog, you will give 1/4cc (0.25ml) of 1 % Ivomec for cattle or 1cc of .27% Ivomec for pigs.. monthly. giving 0.1cc per 10 lbs of body weight is too much. It may not do anything bad, but why use more than you need?
Actually you should give less than you have said here. My vet and I went over it and figured it out according to the product labels. If you look at Heartgard, it has 272 mcg (micrograms) of ivermectin for the 50 to 100 lb dogs. A microgram is 1/1000 of a mg (milligram). If you look at the product label for IVOMEC 1% swine injection, it states that 1 mL will deliver 10 mg (or milligrams) of ivermectin. So - 1 mL (which is equal to 1 cc) contains 10,000 mcg (or micrograms) of ivermectin. A dog only needs 3 micrograms per pound of body weight per month to keep them heartworm free. So - if 1 cc = 10000 mcg, we can bring that number down by mixing it with propylene glycol - which actually works as a carrier agent for the ivermectin. 9 parts propylene glycol to 1 part IVOMEC. That will deliver 1000 mcg of ivermectin per 1 cc. So then, you only give .1 cc of the mixed down IVOMEC per 30 lbs of body weight. You give it orally. If you use it for intestinal worms, it is a much higher dose - I am not sure of the proper dose. We prefer to use pyrantel pamoate or fenbendazole for intestinal worms. The main breeds you have to worry about with it is Collies. They have a sensitivity to ivermectin and it can kill them at the higher dosages
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Re: Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
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08/12/04 07:16 AM
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That is kind of the information I have read too. If I understand it correcly, the larger doseages are to treat for intestinal worms as well, so hopefully, I have done right by the dogs. The little bottle I got cost $36 and is good until 2008. However long it lasts, it is going to be way less then heartguard for 4 dogs.
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Re: Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
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08/12/04 01:00 PM
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I hear ya. I have three dogs of my own and Heartguard is outragiously priced in my opinion. One thing I know is that it will last for 45 days rather than the recommended monthly dose. It has lasted longer in tests, but 45 is certain and that's how often I give it.
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Re: Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
[re: Fred]
08/16/04 08:43 AM
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I just gave it to my 4 dogs and there is no adverse reaction. If there is going to be one it will be the next day from what I have read. I read a post by a lady whose collie got bad off from some the vet was giving him.
Basically the only thing wrong with my dogs right now is that the idiot 16year old next door ran over two of them so far and he has only had a liscence for one week.
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Re: Who else uses ivemec to prevent heartworms?
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08/16/04 11:27 AM
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Collies are pretty sensitive as a breed.
...and what is the kid doing driving on your property?
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