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Shock Collars for dog training
04/14/04 10:22 PM
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I'm trying to get my dog to stop chasing the chickens and a friend has recommended a shock collar. Anyone have experience with them and did it work OK?
I need something which will get the dog's attention as soon as she starts to chase the chickens. Now, it often takes me a minute to get to her after she has started to chase, and once she starts chasing, she doesn't respond quickly to a verbal command.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/14/04 10:57 PM
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I used one to cure my dog from digging under the fence. Wasn't proud of it but it seemed the best at the time.
I'd turn the coller unit on when I let her out. Watched carefully and as soon as she started pawing at the fence gave her a shot.
Had her pretty much under control after a week or so. But kept the unit on her for a while longer.
Be careful as the prongs that deliver the shock can rub on the skin and cause sores. Need to not have the coller on the dog all the time. She rubbed some sore spots on her neck that took a while to heal. Felt bad about that. My fault for not keeping a closer eye on her skin.
Need to keep an eye on the dog as correction needs to be applied as soon as the bad behavior is started, not a few minutes later.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/15/04 06:09 AM
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How about getting invisible fencing? Then you won't have to be the one doing the shocking.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/15/04 09:01 AM
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We use them for training all sorts of things. Their biggest attributes are that they deliver a correction that is unpleasant, but not harmful, and that they animal does not associate the correction with you.
You are correct that you need to shock them just as soon as you see the behavior begin.
Another thing to note, is to put the collar on an hour before you intend to use it, and leave it on for an hour afterwards. This keeps the animal from becoming "collar aware". If you don't do this, they will learn that they can get away with the behavior when the collar is off.
You should shock yourself in the palm so you know exactly what it feels like to them.
We have used them on various breeds and indviduals for digging, barking at night, chasing deer or groundhogs (for a working dog that works off lead), and here in AZ they use the collars for "snake breaking" (teaching aversion to rattlesnakes).
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/15/04 09:30 AM
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In reply to:
You should shock yourself in the palm so you know exactly what it feels like to them.
Dogs don't have palms.
 
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/15/04 12:25 PM
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A friend of mine used a 'bark' activated one to train his Australian Shepherd who was an incessant barker. It worked and she seems none the worse for wear.
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"Dogs don't have palms."
Correct.
But, Florida and California do!!!! 
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/15/04 12:47 PM
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"You should shock yourself in the palm so you know exactly what it feels like to them."
Hank, our Police Dept. tried to use reasoning like that when we got pepper spray and tasers.  
My response was, "Are you gonna shoot me too, so I know what a bullet feels like?"  
Some things you can just take for face value.
They told us what the response would be to pepper spray and tasers and that response was good enough for me!
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/16/04 08:35 AM
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Hank, our Police Dept. tried to use reasoning like that when we got pepper spray and tasers
My wife's dept. had their officers "experience" both pepper spray and batons. Also, as a K-9 handler, she has to take her turn playing bad guy, wearing the bite sleeve.
My suggestion for the e-collar (to shock yourself) is more to salve the human's conscience, that they are not being cruel to the dog. Yes it's unpleasant, but it falls short of physical harm. Also, some of the better models (from TriTronics) are adjustable, and this helps you determine a setting for your particular dog, taking into account the thickness of their coat and their personality.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/16/04 05:20 PM
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In reply to:
Dogs don't have palms."
Correct.
But, Florida and California do!!!!
LOL!
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/17/04 09:58 PM
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Thanks to everyone for their comments and advice regarding the shock collar. It sounds like it will work for me. So, on to the next question - where's a good place to get one and are some brands better than others?
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/17/04 11:38 PM
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I bought mine from Cabela's. Don't remember the brand, and It's packed away so I can't get to it right now. I do remember that the collar unit has a rechargable battery and it has a magnetic operated switch to turn it on and off. The magnet is built into the transmitter. You just pass the transmitter case across the collar unit.
I've had it for better than eight years and haven't used it in seven.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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04/18/04 08:35 AM
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TriTronics is a good brand, but other brands are less expensive. You can order from their web site, and you can get them cheaper elsewhere. I got mine (the Sport 50) from a gun store, and have seen them at several outdoorsman-type businesses, because they are commonly used training field dogs. The Sport 50 is adjustable, which is a useful feature.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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11/08/04 12:08 AM
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ebays a cheap place to try. just a note on this chicken chasing thing and if your not actually going to train her with it and only use it for the chicken thing. if u have any other dogs make sure not to use it while the dog who has it on is near any other dog or kid. if u use it when there is another dog close to her the initial shock may cause her to attack the other dog as she might think the pain is from somehting around her. there a great tool the best way is to teach her to sit with it first. u have to teach the dog how to understand how to turn off the shock. example. when u first get it u should set it on the lowest setting and just let your dog walk around then nick her with it untill u notice a slight reaction from your dog. then u know where it needs to be set. no need to knock in her down with it. if she allready knows how to sit the better. you should then hold down the continuous shock and ask her to sit ask her to sit first then seconds later shock her when she sits u stop shocking her. she must learn that she can turn off the shock by doing what she is asked. some thing with come. you would ask her to come and shock her continuously untill she is at your feet. she learns by getting to u fast she can stop the shock. the sit one is better dont over do it with the come thing or she could get shy and never want to leave your side. once she understands how she can turn off the shock u can then use what most collars call the nick feature. which just gives a short 1/4 second pulse. to get her attention or to remind her your talking to her. i would teach her the no command for the chicken thing. i would use no first with a good nick then ask her to come with the continuos shock. and if she does come to u dont hit or yell at her give her praise. you could just zap the crap out of her when she chases the chickens as soon as u get the collar but she'll just hate the chickens even more. i'd catch the chicken and show it to her and pet both at the same time but if she's tasted blood it's to late for them to become friends.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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09/26/05 07:47 PM
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Hi,
My son is a policeman, also a k-9 officer. He is the taser instructer for the department. Everybody, including him has to be tased so they know what it is like.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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09/26/05 09:02 PM
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We trained our Brittany on the invisble fence. I bought it on-line from;
http://www.radiofence.com
Really nice kit, we follow the instructions and training went perfect! Took about two weeks. Even with an active Brittany pup. Now he doesn't even need his collar on anymore, he know exactly where his limit is. He stops and will lay down as he approaches the wire, even with the collar off. I did test the collar myself. The collar we got has five differnt shock levels. We had to set it to the highest setting, otherwise my dog just didn't get. It does pack a punch, but he figured it out quick. The big thing to rember is that a REALLY stubborn dog will still BUST through them, and they dont keep kids or other dogs out.
About the chicken thing......I met a fella over in west central Illinois who ran a lumber yard where he milled telephone poles into lumber. He had a couple shepards and a bunch of chickens. I asked him if he ever had any problems with the dogs and chickens. He said that he had, but only once.
Now folks this was his story not mine...He took the chicken that his dog killed and taped the dead chicken to his dogs neck and left it there for weeks until it started to rot, then finally took it off. The dog never bothered the chickens again. My wife a 100% city girl was horrified. This was a new one to me. I never ceases to amaze me (and not always in a positive way) what people will think up and do.
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Re: Shock Collars for dog training
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He took the chicken that his dog killed and taped the dead chicken to his dogs neck and left it there for weeks until it started to rot, then finally took it off. The dog never bothered the chickens again. My wife a 100% city girl was horrified. This was a new one to me. I never ceases to amaze me (and not always in a positive way) what people will think up and do.
That's an old time method for keeping dogs from bothering livestock. I hear it almost always works.
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