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What do people put on gravel driveways to keep the dust down?
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Re: Gravel driveway dust
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Some people get oil [ tack coat type for asphalt ] sprayed on gravel roads going by thier place. The local municipality may supply or you may have to go to a paving contractor to get it done.
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Re: Gravel driveway dust
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In addition to the suggestion I posted for you over on TBN, there's always concrete 
I know, I'm such a smart-a** 
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We've been experimenting with a different solution to this problem lately. Somewhat mixed results... definitely keeps the dust down but there are some other unpleasant side effects: A layer of snow. I know, it's hard to apply without some outside assistance, but it's pretty low maintenance once you've got it groomed nicely.
Alright, I'll stop before I lose my priveledges on the forum. I'm just in a particularly silly mood today for some reason
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Egon - Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into that.
Your right Rob, asphalt or concrete would take care of the dust. Someday, it will be concrete (I hope it's this year).
It's actually not for the driveway, it's for the gravel under my carport. Actually, the main reason I want to put something on it is not really even for the dust. I just asked the question that way because that's what I figured people would be familiar with. The main reason is that I want something that smells bad to cats and I knew that people have used something on gravel to keep the dust down and was wondering what it was. The %$*&^%@!!$#* worthless pests are digging in the gravel and crapping in it! I don't have it packed down real good yet, all I've done is drive over it bunch of times. I've used ammonia, which seems to work, but it evaporates too fast and doesn't last long. I'm beginning to think my .22 is the best solution to this problem, but if I can avoid that I'm willing to try! Snow won't help, they think the whole yard is a big litterbox when it snows.
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Re: Gravel driveway dust
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01/07/03 07:35 AM
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Rather than spreading something on the gravel, why don't you compact it. Rent a small plate compacter and spend a few hours tamping down the gravel. If you have crusher run gravel it should compact well and become hard enough that the cats will go elsewhere to leave their calling cards.
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Now that we know the pets are the problem consider building them a nice sand box that is located on your terms. You could even cover it over to protect from the elements. Cats in apartments use " litter boxes " so once you get them started on the sandbox things may work out.
I don't think my previous suggestion of tack coat on the yard parking area is very viable. It's about the last thing I would do as it will track all over.
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Try www.dustkill.com.
I haven't tried it but someone on another board has suggested it. Good luck.
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AndyF - Thanks. But, I still don't have it leveled the way I want it. I just did a quick job to get through the winter. So, I don't want to compact it until I get it leveled out good. Right now it's frozen anyway, so that should hold them off until it warms up again in a day or two.
Egon - Thanks. Your suggestion makes sense, but I doubt my cats would cooperate. They haven't cooperated with anything I've tried so far. I actually did make a sandbox for them (not really a sandbox, but a large pile of sand). They use it sometimes, but it's about 100' from the house and they're lazy. I have thought about covering it, but it would really tick me off (even more than I am now) if I went to that effort and they still used the carport and flowerbeds. If you have time, read this post to get a better understanding of what I've been putting up with: Cats, I'm trying to make this work out, but
8NTX - Thanks, I'll look into dustkill.
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They use it sometimes, but it's about 100' from the house and they're lazy
Or maybe smart, cats that stray to far from our house are coyote dinner. If you have coyotes, put the litter box 200 feet from the house and feed them there. I have a hunch your not a cat man Dan.
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"Or maybe smart", They have proven time and time again that they are not smart. Because of their refusal to ever cooperate, I have stricken cat treats from the grocery list, I no longer let them in the garage on cold winter nights, and other similar privileges have been revoked.
"If you have coyotes" Where are the coyotes when I need them? Last winter they howled almost every night. This year I haven't heard a single one.
"I have a hunch your not a cat man Dan" That's exactly right. I gave them a chance, they blew it.
The cats are not good playmates for the kids, so I'm hoping the kids will get bored enough with them that the kids won't really notice if the cats just "disappear" some day.
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Just because cats do not understand human concepts such as cooperation and privileges does not mean they are not smart. I doubt they will ever conform to your expectations and it is obvious that you do not understand what makes cats tick, so since you hate them so bad and they are such a thorn in your side I would suggest hauling them off to the pound or humane society. Your kids will get over it and your life will be a lot happier.
I would suggest getting another type of pet for your children but I have to wonder if they would only cause problems for you too. Maybe you could get them a goldfish or a hamster. At least they would not crap all over your yard. 
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Hayseed - "I would suggest hauling them off to the pound or humane society"
The only thing stopping me is my wife. They're getting to be a thorn in her side too though, so it may just be a matter of time.
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do not understand human concepts such as cooperation and privileges does not mean they are not smart.
My wife, (who has a brilliantly trained K-9 GSD partner), often describes our Ibizan Hound as the "smartest dog she has ever met"...because the hound only does what she wants to do BTW, Ibizans have often been compared to cats, not just because they wash themselves similarly. Cats are definitely not dumb, they just have their own agenda.
Our dogs often tell us that using the words "good" and "dog" in the same sentence is redundant. Likewise, using the words "cat" and "training" in the same sentence is ridiculous.
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I've seen "Trained Cat Owners " but have yet to see a Trained Cat.
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Yep, my cats well let me know when their food bowl is not full enough, when their water bowl needs a refill and when the litter box is no longer fresh enough to suit them. They let me know when it is okay to pet them because if they don't want to be petted they get up and leave. Yep, they got me trained pretty well! 
One likes to chase a fuzzy ball and return it to me but I don't take credit for training him to do it. He just decided on his own that he liked to do it. Another cat meows "gezunheit" every time my wife or I sneezes.  They certainly bring a lot of joy to my life.
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01/11/03 06:15 PM
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Mosey,
I have no idea if this works or not, but it may help you out
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Try bleach; it worked where ammonia did not, when I was working at the wood shop (where there were a dozen or more cats). Sprinkle some bleach over your carport, and you may have to reapply every week or so, but it's cheap.
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Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into them. On a TBN thread, someone suggested a product called "Get Off My Garden" that is in the TSC Blue Book, but when I went to the store in Seymour, IN they didn't have any. They had some other stuff called "Havahart Repellent", so I got some of that. It's supposed to last 10 days. I put some on and it does have a strong odor. The ground is frozen now though and they can't dig anyway, so I don't know if it really works or not. About 4 months ago, not being able to dig didn't seem to matter to them, they just went on top. But, now that they're older they seem to only want to go where they can dig and cover it up.
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I know something about cats...
We have a couple and there is one thing that they *really* hate that doesn't hurt them. Water. You might try something like a motion sprinkler. I've seen them for a lot less money than this - besides, what price is marital harmony worth? 
But I'd expect if you use this you'll want to put up your car windows, at least. I'd also expect that after a couple of days (weeks?) that the cats would decide on their own that the carport wasn't a freindly place.
If you try it, let me know how well it works. I've always been curious to see if they are effective...Chris
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Thank for the suggestion, but it just isn't going to work when the temperature in below freezing. I've had my outside faucets off and insulated since Dec, 02.
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Dan, I found a way to train cats that requires a little money and less time. I get my training materials at WallyWorld, under the brand name of Winchester Super-X, they always learn on the first lesson.
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Tacky... 
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Yeah, a bit tacky, but I must admit that it got a chuckle out of me...and I am a cat person.
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Chris - I agree that it's tacky and it wasn't funny - and I'm not a cat person. But, it's also true I'm afraid! The only way to get a cat to do what I want is to shoot it. I won't shoot the cats though. I'll either continue to put up with them for the kids' sake, or I'll find new owner for the cats.
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There ain't no way to make a cat do anything it doesn't want to...except sometimes by bribing them with food. They are certainly independant creatures. I guess that is one of the reasons that cats are not considered "personal property" in most places, unlike almost all other pets and livestock...
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Maybe a little friendlier persuasion than a lead bullet would be a bb gun. It would sting the offending party without being quite so terminal... 
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chrisjbell - "There ain't no way to make a cat do anything it doesn't want to...except sometimes by bribing them with food."
That is true. But, as soon as you stop giving them food as a reward for a certain action, they go back to doing what they want. Early on, I had Tiny "trained" to poop a the pile of sand in the woods by giving her treats. She got to where she would go straight to the sand as soon as she saw me coming with the treats, take a poop whether she needed to or not, and then go to the spot where I gave her treats and wait for me to get there. Tiger rarely ever did though. Once I quit bringing treats, both cats went back to pooping wherever they wanted.
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Chris - I've thought of that before. But, all I have is a pellet gun powered by those pre-charged cylinders. I'm afraid it would be more than just a sting, might even kill if I hit a cat in the right spot. Besides, I can't sit out there all night waiting for them. They sneak around during the night and sleep most of the day.
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Danny,
I agree that a pellet gun would be too strong. I used to have a neighbor that hated cats and once shot a kitten with a pellet gun. I don't know if his intention was to sting it or kill it but all he managed to do was injure it by lodging a pellet in the it's hip.
We have a couple of stray cats that like to perch on my new boat tarp. That does not fly with me, so to discourage them I have taken to popping them with my bb pistol. It does not shoot hard and is so inaccurate that I don't aim it, I point it. I try to be sly so they don't associate seeing me with getting stung. Rather I want them to associate getting on my boat with getting stung. So far the jury is out on whether my attempt to "train" them is working or not. Regardless of whether it works or not, at least I know that I am not maiming them or killing them. I have no need to do either as would be the case with a lead bullet.
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I have one of those little Daisy bb / pellet pump guns (the one that everyone has had at some point in their lives). I use it all the time to drive off the neighbor's goats. Those suckers refuse to leave or run away - they'll just kind of stare at you as they munch on the roses on the front porch.
So I pump that thing up a pump or two and fire away. The bbs just bounce off them, but they get the silly critter's attention. Sometimes have to fire at them several times to really get 'em moving .
But that little Daisy only cost about $25 and is kind of fun. Very effective for certain things...
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I had some wild turkeys that were digging bulbs from my wifes flower bed next to the house. Opening the door to scare them away was only effective for about a half an hour. My former son-in-law left his paintball gun after a visit, so I loaded it up and surprised the turkeys one afternoon. Don't know if it had any long term effect as I got my two current dogs not long after that, but it was a scream to see turkeys running around with orange splotches on their sides.
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but it was a scream to see turkeys running around with orange splotches on their sides.
Bet that was pretty funny .
I was driving the lawn tractor with my daughter in the trailer down to the mailbox yesterday. We were ambushed by a big ol' turkey that got spooked and launched itself into the air right in front of us. They're pretty neat looking birds, but can sure be destructive...
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