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Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines
11/04/04 09:23 AM
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In the relatively near future I will be looking for a good cow horse that has good bloodlines for cutting and team penning. I have been looking at bloodlines that produce the best cutting/cow horses and this is what I have found so far. How does it look??
Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines-
Be Ache Enterprise
Boomernic
Color Me Smart
Doc Bar
Doc Olena
Docs Hickory
Docs Lynx
Docs Stylish Oak
Dual Pep
Freckles Playboy
Gallo Del Cielo (Rooster)
High Brow Cat
Hollywood Dun It
Leo
Miss N Cash
Mr Melody Jac
Mr. Gun Smoke
Peponita
Peppy San Badger
Peptoboonsmal
Playgun
Shining Spark
Smart Chic Olena
Smart Little Lena
Smart Little Pistol
Smokin 45
Taris Catalyst
Topsail Whiz
I'm not too sure on these:
Nu Cash (slugs)
Reminic (too crazy hot)
Docs Remedy (hard minded)
Mr Dual Pep (fractious)
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Re: Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines
[re: RikBallard]
11/04/04 12:34 PM
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I don't know who told you some of those horses make good cutting horses but they were way off. The hollywood dunit's are mostly reining. Their body confirmation does not do well with the cutting, especially the long backs. Plus they are not the cowiest or cattiest horses. Be Aech Enterprise is another, Mr. Melody Jac, Gunsmoke, and Topsail Whiz.
Get a copy of the Quarter Horse News. They are much more cutting horse oriented and you will see lots of good studs there. You should also be looking at mares as well and make a comparable list. Everybody always goes for the stud but most any good breeder will tell you the mare is usually 60% of the equation. You can take the best stud out there and breed to a bad mare and get a bad colt 99% of the time.
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Re: Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines
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11/04/04 12:54 PM
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Thanks cowboyDoc. I am a newbie/amateur so I definitely appreciate the information.
How many generations back are relevant when looking at the bloodline?
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Re: Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines
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11/04/04 01:59 PM
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For sure if the name isn't on the papers it doesn't mean squat. To really have an influence on the horse you have the very least they should be grandparents if you are serious about a prospect. If they are great grandparents and then the grandparents and parents have done something it means more. Just having the name on the third generation isn't as good. And look at the top and bottom side of the pedigree!!!
It all depends on your budget. If you want own sons/daughters of any of the horses you had on your list you're probably going to be in $15,000 range and up for a decent one. There are certainly culls that have a poor bottom side in the $10k and up range.
To get a good grand top and bottom you are looking at $5k and up for a good prospect.
If you are looking at already trained cutting horses wow then you are really talking the cash with the kind of pedigrees you are looking at.
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Re: Cutting/Cow horse bloodlines
[re: cowboydoc]
11/05/04 04:33 PM
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Ricky,
For me, after all is said and done, it really comes down to the individual horse. I might use the stud as a guideline but more than likely, as Richard indicates, I would look at the mare. In fact I personally go a bit further than Richard and attribute 70-75% to the mother.
You sure should have some really good horses in your neck of the world so go look at them. I just bought a 4 year old and I looked for(in order of priority) talent, heart, disposition, training and bloodlines. And by the way, he is a Mr Dual Pep that finished in either first or second in Non Pro at Snaffle Bit and the NRHA futurity and he is not fractious at all.
A lot like you, we are sort of in the middle of horse country. In our area we can get to trainers like Bobby Ingersol, David Hanson, Benny Guitron, Gary Gonzalves, Roberta McCarty, Teddy Robinson, Randy Paul, etc so find those good trainers in your area and go look. Its amazing the number of really great horses that you can pick up for a steal because that horse does not fit into a trainers program or may not make the open cut. I have a friend that picked up an open reining futurity finalist for close to $15,000 from a big money guy that paid over $75,000 a few years ago. The only reason he was sold was that the big money guy did not like the way he loped and wanted to move on to something else.
Just ride as many as you can and find the individual that fits you the best.
Good luck to you and enjoy the shopping!
Mark
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