|
MikePA
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/10/02
|
|
Posts: 338
|
|
Loc: Southern PA
|
|
Horse Safety
07/06/03 06:44 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
My original post, Let People Know Where You Are, was lost in the Great TBN & CBN Disk Crash Of 2003 so a summary is as follows...
This past Wednesday, my wife was exercising one of our horses (TB/QH mare), by herself, in our riding ring (about 100 yards from our house). She was thrown and suffered a mild concussion. We were not 100% sure what happened since she could not remember anything about the accident. She remembered trying to sit up in the ring and, due to soreness, not being able to. The next thing she remembered was sitting in the tack room. The horse's tack was removed and put away. She doesn't remember doing this.
We spent 3 hours in the local Urgent Care center getting 6 x-rays (which revealed an old chipped vertebrae) and a total body examination. Nothing unusual was found. The Dx was a mild concussion. Plenty of rest was the Rx.
My advice to my TBN friends...before you take off on a tractoring chore, make sure someone knows where you are going, what you will be doing and when to expect you back, even if it's only 100 yards away.
My wife is recovering nicely, although she's given the phrase 'sore all over' new meaning. She hobbled out to the barn yesterday and brought back her riding helmet. Which confirms what happened. As you can see from the photo, the outside, bottom of the back of the helmet was cracked about 1.5" (top picture). The inside of the helmet was cracked even worse, 2.5 inches (bottom picture). It's not just the plastic helmet shell that is cracked, the underlying styrofoam is also split.
I know there are a number of people on TBN, and CBN, who ride horses. If you don't already wear a helmet, please learn from this incident, OK? If she hadn't been wearing a helmet, this would have been a 4th of July I would not have been able to forget. 
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/27/03 03:59 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Really glad she dodged the bullet as did my sister who make a hole lin the dirt road with her unhelmeted head (concussion). Have you shopped for a better helmet yet? Are there ratings to allow proper comparison shopping?
Pat
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
DocHeb
|
|
Silver Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 10/31/02
|
|
Posts: 138
|
|
Loc: Michigan
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/27/03 08:14 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Those styrofoam helmets don't seem like much, but they really do the trick. The helmet is designed to crack like that - the energy goes into shattering the styrofoam rather than your head. That is why they are "one-time-use" items - after any significant use/trauma they should be replaced.
I'm really into bike helmets since I'm too familiar with the consequences of not wearing a helmet.
Post Extras:
|
|
MikePA
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/10/02
|
|
Posts: 338
|
|
Loc: Southern PA
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/28/03 04:02 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Have you shopped for a better helmet yet? Are there ratings to allow proper comparison shopping? Since this helmet did it's job, we're sticking with this brand. As docheb indicates, they're designed to crack. We have several in the tack room, so when my wife starts riding again, we'll be ready.
Post Extras:
|
|
egon
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/12/02
|
|
Posts: 3031
|
|
Loc: Nova Scotia,Canada
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/28/03 05:23 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
I'm not sure of this but isn't it advised that styrafoam helmets get replaced after about 5 years or so even if they haven't had any incidents.
Egon
Post Extras:
|
|
MikePA
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/10/02
|
|
Posts: 338
|
|
Loc: Southern PA
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: egon]
07/28/03 06:50 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
I'm not sure of this but isn't it advised that styrafoam helmets get replaced after about 5 years or so even if they haven't had any incidents. I've never heard of this. Perhaps it's true if they are left exposed to the weather/sunlight and degrade? Don't know. All our riding helmets, by Troxel, are SEI certified
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/28/03 09:14 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
"HELMET DID ITS JOB"
Did it? She might have survived wearing a cantaloupe on her head, doesn't mean I'd recommend that. OK, they are designed to break and it broke. I don't think I'd accept that a priori as "doing its job." The cantaloupe would break too.
With motorcycle helmets there are standards and standard testing protocols. You can comparison shop for more than style and color. You can compare the ratings. All I was suggesting is that if it was my wife who demonstrated a NEED for protection I'd be looking to see how I could get the best/safest helmet commercially available by comparing test results. I don't know if such standards and tests are in place for equestrian helmets but I would sure know before my wife mounted up.
Pat
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
MikePA
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/10/02
|
|
Posts: 338
|
|
Loc: Southern PA
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/29/03 04:06 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
From my previous post, all Troxel helmets (the ones we use) are... SEI certified
So, yes, there are standards and helmets are tested.
Post Extras:
|
|
DocHeb
|
|
Silver Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 10/31/02
|
|
Posts: 138
|
|
Loc: Michigan
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/29/03 10:40 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
In reply to:
With motorcycle helmets there are standards and standard testing protocols.
Motorcycle helmet testing involves taking a helmet and smashing it against concrete at 60 mph ... again and again and again ... just like a motorcycle rider cartwheeling down the freeway. There must be a different design to account for repetative blows during a single accident.
Bicycle, skateboard, and yes, horse helmets, are designed for a limited impacts (usually one). After this use (and the styrofoam has "given its life" to protect the owner ), they must be replaced. These helmets function well when used for the activities they are designed.
Post Extras:
|
|
MikePA
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/10/02
|
|
Posts: 338
|
|
Loc: Southern PA
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/29/03 11:50 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
I sent an email to the CEO (an MD) of Troxel Helmets about this and here's his response...
In serious impacts, the styrofoam (what we call EPS) liner crushes and does often crack. Of course, this depends on many factors such as the forces involved, temperatures at the time of impact and the area of the impact. In essence, the EPS crushes and absorbs energy into its structure which in turn is transformed (compressed), crushed or broken.
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/29/03 05:33 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Gotcha, Good deal, standards are good as you can shop for equipment with higher ratings. I think we passed in cyberspace, sorry.
Thanks again for the info. I have only been unhorsed unvoluntarily twice and then as a kid. Once a horse spun a 180 and leaped out from under me getting a good laugh from my companion who knew it would happen since they ALWAYS walked the horses to the end of the lane and raced back to the barn. The other time a horse ran under a tree and brushed me off. I didn't hit my head either time. I have got really light in the saddle several times when a cutting horse zigged when I fully expected him to zag but managed to recover. That is the risk when a low performance rider works stock with a high performance mount. As much fun as a high performance sports car which I have also enjoyed.
Pat
Haven't been on a horse for 10 yrs but would definitely consider a helmet if I were to do anything beyond walking about.
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: DocHeb]
07/29/03 05:37 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
DocHeb, Well said. I have used motorcycle helmets and bicycle helments, but never an equestrian helmet. Probably should if I did any "other than walking around" action on horseback again. Just lucky in my youth... jumping creeks, chasing stock, racing with friends...
Pat
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
Bird
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/12/02
|
|
Posts: 1694
|
|
Loc: Corinth, TX, USA
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/29/03 06:20 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
In reply to:
I have only been unhorsed unvoluntarily twice and then as a kid.
Quite a coincidence; me, too.
The first time dad was cutting down little post oak trees and trimming them up for fence posts to build a hog pen and I was dragging them, two at a time, with a rope looped around the saddle horn, down the road aways and across the road to where the pen would be built. I happened to be in the middle of the road when I saw a car coming so I turned the horse to get out of the road. The next thing I knew dad was picking me up out of the dirt and my horse was standing there with the saddle hanging under her belly. And that's how I learned about horses taking a deep breath and swelling up when you cinched up the saddle.
The second time, a year or so later, I had just gotten a young mare with no training at all. The guy said he'd been on her 3 times and she didn't buck. And then I had to have an emergency appendectomy one Sunday night (missed the last day of school in the 6th grade), spent 5 days in the hospital, don't remember how long before the stitches came out, but the first day the doctor said I could ride if I took it easy, I saddled her up and was going to ride down to a friend's place. It was hot summer time and that little mare did not want to head down that gravel driveway to the road; she'd turn and head back to the barn and the shade. I got her turned around headed down the driveway 3 or 4 times, but a couple of steps and she'd turn again. So I got her headed down the driveway, gave her a good kick in the ribs, and she threw me right on my head in that gravel driveway, and headed back to the barn. Now my dad had worked for a horse trainer in his younger days and he'd told me that you never whip a horse around the head and body (as I'd seen a number of people do), but if you wanted to punish a horse, to hold the bridle close to the bit and swat the horse on the front legs with the end of the reins to sting a bit and get their attention. I wasn't hurt except for the loss of a little skin in the gravel, so I jumped up, caught the horse, and proceeded to do as dad had told me, and as he had said, the horse rears and runs backwards but can't trample or kick you, and of course Mother (who didn't want me to ride anyway and had been watching out the window when I was thrown) had run out on the back porch and was screaming at the top of her lungs for me to stop.
In reply to:
I have got really light in the saddle several times when a cutting horse zigged when I fully expected him to zag but managed to recover.
I had one cousin a year old than me and his dad was a train engineer killed in a train wreck. My aunt later married a farmer; primary crop was wheat, but he also put up his own hay, had 100+ beef cattle, a dozen to 15 milk cows, hogs, chickens, etc. near Edmond, OK, but no horse. My cousin, who always had to outdo me at everything, wanted a horse, so his step dad bought a pretty quarter horse mare. First time I was there, my cousin wanted to show me his horse. He couldn't get the bridle on because that horse would hold her head higher than he could reach, so I showed him how to do it, and then showed him how to saddle her. Aaah, this was great, I knew I was really getting to him. So I hopped on her and took off across the pasture at a gallop, intending to make a wide circle and come back, but when I touched the reins to her neck, she doubled back, I dropped one rein, barely caught the saddle horn and hung on, and deflated my balloon in a hurry. I didn't know the old man had bought a well trained cow pony. All I'd had was old cheap generic horses.
Post Extras:
|
|
DUMBDOG
|
|
Gold Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/11/02
|
|
Posts: 286
|
|
Loc: North Dakota, Florida
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Pat]
07/30/03 12:37 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
I came of quite a few times as a kid, the clothes line wire left a mark on my neck for quite a few years.
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: Bird]
07/30/03 08:35 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Bird, The cosmic weight of the our coincidences is just about to exceed the strength of the fabric of space-time and rip a tear in the continuum. We, of course, will be perfectly safe as the matched pair of entities at the centroid of the "tear" but can't vouch for the safety of others.
My first unhorsing was no accident... My school chum, provider of the horses that day, had "trained" the horses through repetition to walk to the end of the lane and then wheel around and race to the barn. As I was riding bare backed and was unprepared (no death grip on the mane or super leg grip) I didn't stand a chance.
I had a voluntary unhorsing when I was a senior in high school and sometimes dated my algebra teacher's daughter. His son joined the Navy and his excellent quarter horse mare was getting green and needed to be exercised and put through her paces so I had a standing invite to come out and do so. She didn't really want to leave the barn area and was difficult to keep aimed away from it. Lots of seesawing with the reins and zigzagging across the field with her always intent on going back but I would manage to get a quarter mile afield or so and then get her in a dead run for the barn then to her chagrin, repeat.
As you know a good quarter horse makes about three lurches to get from a walk or stop to top speed. Just as I turned her and was between lurch 1 and 2, I noticed my senior class ring had nearly fallen off from fighting the reins and did so while I was looking so I threw my right leg over her head and dismounted. I hit the ground leaning backwards at an angle and "skied" across the field a ways but was able to find the ring right away and avoid the "death penalty" from my dad for loosing it. She waited patiently for me at the barn.
There was another "interesting event" that I didn't actually categorize as an unhorsing. I had a neck rope (5/8 polly with a snap swivel) to an eye in a large tree to steady a feisty quarter horse mare while I saddled her. Got her all cinched and as I swung aboard she took a step back which tightened the rope around her neck. She didn't like that one bit but instead of stepping forward to loosen it a mite while I unhooked the snap, she stepped back hard and shook her head, fighting with the "rope attacker" and nearly immediately (happened quicker than you can read this) began to buck. My buddy sized up the situation as it developed and stepped forward with his sheath knife (that I had sharpened to a razor edge the night before) and cut the thick line in one easy stroke. As the horse was essentially standing on one leg at that instant, ballanced by the pull of the rope, she fell over on her left side with me in the saddle. I lay there still in the saddle, feet in the stirups, reins in hand but 90 degrees from the usual horse-rider operating angle. She couldn't get up with my weight so I swung my right leg off of her and she got up apparently unharmed. I got up apparently unharmed. I picked up my Ruger Super Blackhawk from the dust, mostly unharmed but with a slight scratch. The left stirrup was destroyed so I fashioned one from a scrap of rope and swung aboard. I took her out and gave her a thorough workout. I think it is a bad idea after one of these sort of things to not give the horse a workout and leave them in a confused state.
Pat
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
Pat
|
|
Veteran Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/15/02
|
|
Posts: 4904
|
|
Loc: SouthCentral Oklahoma
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: DUMBDOG]
07/30/03 09:42 AM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
Mentally Chalenged Canine: That sure gave me a flashback to riding at my aunts house in Mississippi, dodging all the clotheslines and their props in the back yard. I had some close calls but managed to not be hung. Can't say I didn't cause any laundry to be redone.
I have a very early memory of watching a bunch of cousins and my sister (7-8 little kids on one big ole horse). They didn't want me up with them as I was too little and not ready for important tough jobs like riding a horse. The horse then ignored everything they did or said and slowly walked out into a pond, stood there ignoring all actions and protests, and then lay down. Luckily I wasn't deemed ready for all that responsibility best left to the 'big" kids.
Pat
"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"
Post Extras:
|
|
RMeadows
|
|
Member
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 09/11/02
|
|
Posts: 43
|
|
Loc: Mulberry, Florida
|
|
Re: Horse Safety
[re: MikePA]
07/30/03 10:58 PM
|
Edit
|
Reply
|
|
|
I had the same experiacne. I was at a nice lope and my stirrup leather gave out (always inspect under the buckle!). i fell off, remember thinking it was going to hurt as I fell, and next thing I knew I was in the house, horse was turned out and I don't remember any of it. I had a concusion and amnisia for three days.....
Roger Meadows
TiAnViCa Ranch
Mulberry, Florida
Post Extras:
|