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02/09/07 09:13 AM
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Hi all, I live in Fairview, NC zone 7. We just had a large steep bank cleared off which drops off about 20 feet from our house. I need to plant something to prevent erosion of the dirt, but not sure what to plant. I want to plant purple wintercreeper as a ground cover, but cant do that until April because of frost and too cold. Is there anything I can do until then or would it be safe to just leave it alone until April? Everyone around here keeps saying put rye grass on it. But I dont want that to interfere with planting the groundcover later or not even sure it would interfere. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Glad I found this website, it's great!
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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02/13/07 10:12 AM
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Look in the Sunset Garden Book.
Or, contact your local Master Gardeners. They are a university based volunteer group that helps with stuff like this; my wife is a volunteer here. In our case, she works with the County Ag office, as an extenion of University of California, Davis.
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02/13/07 01:50 PM
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Thanks Robert very much for the info, now I will have a place to start.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
[re: michelle9491]
02/13/07 02:41 PM
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Spreading a thick layer of straw will help control erosion. I have used round bales of hay before, rolling them out like carpet but with hay here in short supply and costing $85/bale I will buy square bales of straw and suffer a little more effort to spread it out.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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02/14/07 09:26 AM
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Hello Fairview, NC, I grew up not too far from you. Rye grass is good to plant to help with erosion, however it is late in the season to plant rye (IMO). I would put a heavy layer of wheat straw down and wait a month or so and weather will be so that you can plant what you really want to plant.
Rye will die back when the weather gets hot, but will also compete for nutrients in the interim if you decide to plant.
If you are also planning on planting trees or bushes on the bank, now is a good time to do that.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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02/16/07 07:21 PM
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Holy Hayburners Patman, $85 a bale!!!!! It's as high as I have ever seen it around here and it's only $35 a bale and most will deliver for that.
You ARE a redneck if... you knew someone whose last words were "Hey y'all, watch this!"
Edited by Michael (02/16/07 07:22 PM)
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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02/17/07 09:14 AM
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It varies but $85/bale was not atypical. I'm glad I have enough of my own hay to make it till at least mid may and should start getting grass enough for grazing by mid April.
Oklahoma is trying to recover from a record drought. Although my ponds are full and overflow, the deficit in the aquifers has definitely NOT been replenished. Clearly 2006 was quite dry at the worst times. It remains to be seen what happens this year but another record drought or just a serious shortfall during the times when rain is most needed will put lots of marginal operations in dire straights or bankrupt.
A couple years ago you could buy all the GOOD hay you wanted for $20/bale. Low hay prices is one of the reasons I hung onto mine, a lucky accident for me.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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04/06/07 02:46 PM
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If the bank is very steep, the straw will also come down the hill under a big rain. I'd call your local erosion controlcompany and ask them to give you a quote for spraying chopped straw and a tacafier. The tacafier makes the straw stick together. I would also recommend that you seed your ground cover before you apply any straw. The rye grass will grow as long as there is decent temp and moisture. It will head out and die and usually doesn't get too tall. You could also get a big roll of black visquine and tack it down so the water would run off w/o erosion. Lastly, there is a product called straw waddles that you could place horizontal to the slope and that would hold the soil as well. Check out the links at www.ieca.org and that should help.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/06/08 04:52 PM
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I have a couple of small banks with wet springs on them?
I was thinking of a small shallow pool on them to collect most of the water with a 4'' pipe overflow draining into the ditch that runs along the foot of the banks.
What can I plant on the rest or the area that requires no mowing yet wont spread and get out of hand?
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/09/08 09:57 AM
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/09/08 10:52 AM
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What is Gunite?
Can you tell me more about it.
Where do I get it?
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/09/08 11:17 AM
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Ahhh a perfect place for some good old Kudzu!!!!!!
http://www.maxshores.com/kudzu/
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/09/08 04:32 PM
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Just in case you are NOT kidding me... Gunite is a cementitious material that is applied with a type of spray gun.
It is a spray-on cement and is often used to stabilize steep dirt banks against erosion (and to make swimming pools and such) as well as to build homes that are make of cement with an inflatable (balloon like) form.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/09/08 06:17 PM
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On cut banks that lie alongside railroads and hiways, engineers use a technique to gather drainage that involves horizontal boring and insertion of perforated pipe. The water enters the perfs and the pipe conducts it to the edge of the bank where a swing elbow/tee/plug combo is attached. The water is gathered in a vee ditch and taken to a convenient culvert to cross the road. The perforated pipe is easy to make with hacksaw cuts and you can jet or drill it into place without much difficulty. We recently did this same trick to relieve water pressure from a pipeline leak on some basement walls. We bored the wall and inserted a ten-foot length of perforated copper with a valve on the basement end. We built a packing device to seal the pipe against the wall, then opened the valve and put a hose on the valve that took the water to a basement drain. It measured out to be 3.5 gallons per minute, and the municipal water company didn't care. 
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01/11/08 06:00 PM
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Dave, At 3 1/5 gal per minute, I'd be trying to find a use for the water and not just throw it away. That is enough flow to support an open loop Geo installation but that would be risky as some day they might fix it. How about irrigation? Was there any head to allow piping the water anywhere? If it was gravity only, I'd at least have a decorative fountain in my basement (and then toss the water.)
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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01/15/08 03:15 AM
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 Pat, that figured out to a little over 5,000 gallons per day. That is enough water for fifty homes!! We use ten gallons per day roughly,.....3,000 per month. we considered a catch basin and a pump system that could utilize the water for non drinking uses like toilets and laundry. The PROBLEM IS, .... the water company gets paid for DELIVERY OF WATER, and they could theoretically back charge for the water delivered to the property, regardless of the WAY it was delivered, and then just make up a number if the system was discovered. 
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01/20/08 11:15 AM
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Or alternatively you could sue them for flooding your basement and requiring you to take protective measures.
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Re: Need help fast- large steep bank
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I thought gunite was what i tell the dog when i am going to sleepy land!! 
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