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Code of the West
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Any of you catch this on NPR? I love it! Some communities in Montana have published the guidelines to living in their rural setting and what to expect: rights of way for cattle, unreliable phone service, cattle odors etc.
One guy sums up the code with his quote "Shut up and like it, and if you don't, move on."
You can read more about it on NPR's web site.
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11/11/02 04:48 PM
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AMEN. I am so gosh dang tired of city people moving to the country and expecting the country to be like the city. If you move to the country learn to live the way it's always been. It makes no sense to me at all why people want to move to the country and then try and make it like the city.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/12/02 03:18 PM
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We live on a dirt road and there have been several new homes built on 20+ acre plots. Our pretty winding dirt road is going to be upgraded. That means the trees within fifteen foot of the road will be removed to allow for widening and drainage. They did the other end last summer and took down three foot diameter oaks. The road looks great if you like straight and bare. People bought here because it is 25 minutes to a major city but looks like a post card of rural New England. Now the very presence of the homes is the reason given for the change.
We are lucky that our trees will not be touched but to see more of the big oaks go is a shame. Sure glad that we built 800 feet off the road.
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11/20/02 11:20 AM
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Country-come-lately city types' plans for moving to the sticks:
Buy five acres, control five hundred around them.
I'd rather have an infestation of rats or mice.
Join the NRA -- The guns you save may be your own.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/20/02 03:27 PM
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Just curious: What is a " CITY TYPE " ?
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I assure you it's not you Egon. It's the type that comes out to the country and wants to change everything. They call the sheriff because you haul manure and it's on the road. They call the sheriff because they won't mow the fence lines and you do it and they turn you in for trespassing. They drive 70mph on a dirt road and don't have the courtesy to slow down when they meet another car or they pass you on a gravel road and throw rocks all over you. They hit your dog and just keep on going. They call the sheriff because you're out shooting clay pigeons. They try and get the property rezoned because they don't like the smell of your cattle. They go by close to you when you are riding your horse and honk their horns and laugh when your horse shies away. They try and bring big city with them ie they want 7-11's at the small town you live in and they want all the politics as well. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/20/02 04:09 PM
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Gotchya.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/21/02 11:42 AM
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Cowboydoc,
That is a good description of the problems we are facing. Heaven forbid that the Beamer get dirty on the dirt road. They are so clue less that they did not realize that a dirt road is dirty. So I have to wash to van more often, it is worth it to me.
I was raised in a good sized city but married a farm girl many years ago. Most of the city is gone from me now my father-in-law saw to that. I love the land and the space. Most of people are wonderful neighbors but a few should go back to the city.
In our area now it is a requirement that all real estate sales people have buyers sign a form that tells them this is agricultural land and there may be some dirt and smells. One lady down the road from us started a petition to stop the spread of liquid manure. I don't know what she expected but my wife asked her if she liked milk. When she said yes, Jane told her they go together and you can't have one without the other.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/21/02 12:53 PM
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Those people are idjuts wherever they live - city, country, in-between.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/21/02 02:33 PM
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Actually, the way it works is:
You work in the city for 40 years because you need the higher pay. Hate every minute you are there because of the crowding, pressure, etc.  Retire and move to the country. Grow bored 6 months later because there is nothing to do-- no 7-11, no movie theatre, only 1 restaurant open past 7:00 pm, only 1 grocery store, etc, etc.  Then you suddenly realize what the place needs!  Organization! You realize that what people lack is knowledge of how things should work, which you happily have after living 40 years in the City. Solution-- go into local politics and regulate how often everyone must mow their lawns. What color their houses must be and how many chickens/cows/horses/pigs/goats they can keep on an acre of land.
You are saved!  No more boredom! After a few years, the place starts looking and feeling like the city.  But who cares? At least it runs right 
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Re: Code of the West
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11/22/02 06:27 PM
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I guess I'm "kind of the city type", having been raised in NYC for 20 years, then escaping to Missouri. Have lived in the ST. Louis suburbs for another 36 years and now we are moving to the county next year.
I can hardly wait!
I don't mind gravel roads or dark nights. Looking forward to being able to shoot a few clay birds from time to time with out having to drive for an hour.
I was mowing a few feet onto the adjoining property, no fence, and don't mind if they mow onto mine.
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Hey! Aren't you supposed to be working?
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11/22/02 09:36 PM
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Egon, I think it's a state of mind much like being a country type while living in NYC or Chicago (or in my case, Dallas). A city type is not necessarily a bad person, just a person that wants to move his city envoirment along with him. A good example is the fellow that owns the place next to my 46 acres. His place is about the same size but he doesn't have a house, just a corral on his place but that didn't stop him from putting a mercury vapor floodlight up rigged to a sensor that turns it on at dusk and off at dawn. I guess he put it up in case he ever wants to come out to the country after dark. Unfortunately my wife and I get the benefit of his light (and his city-type attitude) every night we stay at our place.
Romans 8:28
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11/23/02 06:55 AM
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His place is about the same size but he doesn't have a house, just a corral on his place but that didn't stop him from putting a mercury vapor floodlight up rigged to a sensor that turns it on at dusk and off at dawn. I guess he put it up in case he ever wants to come out to the country after dark.
You could tell him that what they make switches for. 
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11/23/02 07:01 AM
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In our area now it is a requirement that all real estate sales people have buyers sign a form that tells them this is agricultural land and there may be some dirt and smells
When I got my land, we had one of these to sign also.
Where I am moving is not so much country, but small town. Most people here want to keep it that way. Any time anything wants to come into town, they are up agenst a big fight. For about 4, 5 years they have been trying to put a cell tower in. Nope, don't think it will happan. Now they are trying to put a big store up. Been fighting for about two years now. I think I am safe, that the town will not grow up to fast. And it does not need to, we got a good sized city[Albany NY] about 25 min away. Not that far.
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Re: Code of the West
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11/23/02 07:14 AM
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If memory serves me correctly most farms had a yard light that remained on all night.
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11/23/02 11:14 PM
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One thing I really like about our place is, it is DARK and nobody leaves outside lights on for miles around. If someone left a mercury vapor light on that was near enough to come into our bedroom, it could become susceptable to random flying lead from an unknown pellet or bb gun.
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Hi guys.
Could we not get into the flood light thing again, please? It's been done - some people like/need them, others don't - and it doesn't have anything to do about where you were raised.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone, but then again I'm sure you didn't either 
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Cowboydoc, I didn't know we shared the same neighbors. I've lived at 40th and plum (forty miles from town and Plum out in the sticks) for years with no problems, now all the city folks are moving out. You know they have a smell about them?
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Yea I don't know what's wrong with people. The country is the country. Have some respect for those that came before you and that are trying to make a living and put food on your table.
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One last comment on outside lights. I went to a seminar yesterday on managing your property for wildlife. Three biologist all recommended turning off lights at night. It seems it has a detrimental effect on bird populations especially the migratory birds that come through Texas in winter. They also said keep your cats indoors.
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Just wait until your property taxes start exploding.
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We had to fight to keep our 50 acres zoned farm. Finally I just told the guy sooner or later I'll win and you'll pay all my expenses to keep it agricultrual. "Think so he said" I just laughed and said "yep so whats next". They gave it to us and saved about 5k in taxes.
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Finally I just told the guy sooner or later I'll win and you'll pay all my expenses to keep it agricultrual.
mikell,
Just exactly how did you go about this. I've been talking to our tax assessor/township supervisor for a couple of years about this and all he says is my operation is a hobby farm and doesn't qualify, you live on the property and it's your residence. I've asked him to define hobby farm and he blows me off and says my operation is a hobby farm, so I can only surmise that raising a market garden and finishing calves is only a hobby. It's not my sole income, but I do derive some income from it. In the eyes of the IRS I have a farming operation, but not in the eyes of the assessor. He's really got me pissed off and our annual tax tribunal is next week and I need some ammo.
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If you make money off it it's a farm. If you don't pay sales tax on feed and equipment it's a farm. When we bought ours it was zoned and taxed agriculteral and we filled all the forms to keep it that way and they denied it. Thats when I explained we would fight and we would win. Just don't give up. Michigan is a right to farm state. I'm not at home so I can't help much off the top of my head.My brother in law is a supervisor and a farmer so he handled most of our paperwork even though he's in a different county. You should probably try to find a official who is a farmer.
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You should probably try to find a official who is a farmer.
That's part of the problem, the supervisor has a farm. He raises cattle and row crops. Doesn't think that market gardens qualify as a farm. I keep asking him to define the difference between a farm and a hobby farm, all I get is rhetoric. That's why I'm going to the tribunal, I'll pose that question to him and his peers. But I certainly want to go prepared, that's why I need all the backup info from someone who's been through it.
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