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jerryrigin
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living like a king on a low budget
      03/23/08 08:27 PM

Hey all, I just wanted to say it is awsome to be living out in the boondocks. I grew up in the city. I am a SINGLE 32 yr. old male and just finished building my own home. I mean building it with my own two hands. It is not a shack but not a mantion either. Just a cozy 1200 sqft. I am all electric and now that I have accomplished this goal my next goal is to become totally Off Grid. My electric bill only runs about 30 dollars a month but it would be nice to say that I am self sufficent and rely on no outside sources. That would be awsome! I have a question though I have well water and have always lived in the city on the city water. I installed a electric tankless hot water heater in my new home and it works great. My water lines are PVC and they tend to get clogged up with what I think is shell or some sort of mineral deposits and this tends to stop the flow of hot water through my tankless heater. It does not happen to the cold water side. I installed a Filter in my well house before the water comes into my home but still it gets clogged up and then I have to drain all the water from my lines and use a blow gun attached to my air compressor and blow the lines out from different faucets around the house to get them unclogged. Well now my question has anyone came across a problem like this and if so can it be fixed and how? thank you. Oh by the way, I Did say I am SINGLE and looking for a good country gal.

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roho627
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: jerryrigin]
      03/23/08 09:36 PM

Lets see pics of it a ll House & clogs tooooo!

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egon
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: jerryrigin]
      03/24/08 05:29 AM


Top of the Mornin to you.

Easiest way to fix those deposits after the electric water heater is to go off grid right away. Then you can do away with the heater.

Another option is to take cold showers. [there could be merit in this statement]

Or you could have your water analyzed and then add a softener. That may just do the trick.

Other people add magnets to the water line to alleviate this problem.

Egon

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rbhollabaugh
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: jerryrigin]
      04/07/08 03:13 PM

If you are using a filter cartridge, get a 1 micron filter. I get mine at Grainger.com. It's worth a try befroe you put in something more expensive.

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Nat
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: rbhollabaugh]
      04/14/08 07:06 AM

Jerry, I think the problem is Calcium. unlike a lot of other stuff that desolves in warm water Calcium becomes unsuspended in hot water and deposits in lines and water heaters. I'm not sure how to eliminate the problem, but bet that I'm diagnosing it correctly. Not much help though is it. later, Nat

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nbarker
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: jerryrigin]
      04/14/08 01:12 PM

Hi Jerry,
I am new to country life too. We are moving from an inner ring suburb of Buffalo to a rural town about 30 miles south of the city. We will also be on well water (although we may tap into the town water line that runs through the property), septic, propane (although also contemplating natural gas), etc. How many acres are you on? I don't know anything about your water problem, but the other posters seem to have some good ideas. I"m interested in hearing about how you plan on being off the grid. I was reading about wind turbines. There seems to be some good tax rebates out there to install one . However, they are still kind of pricey.
What kind of climate do pecans require? I would like to plant some fruit trees on my acreage.
As for finding a good country lady, I'm sure you won't have any problems. I am married to a very handy, intelligent man and most of my friends are looking for someone similar. I can't really help you out though, since I live about 1000 miles from you!

Live....Laugh....Love....Learn

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Pat
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: jerryrigin]
      04/14/08 02:46 PM

Like the other poster said, Jerry, you have dissolved minerals (probably mostly calcium.) Because they are dissolved there is no simple mechanical filter that will help you. A softener will exchange sodium for the calcium so the water will work better with soap for various washing tasks but you may not want to drink the extra sodium so you may not want to plumb a softener to all the cold water lines.

Magnets mostly DO NOT WORK (Warning, snake oil!)

The "instant" water heaters save standby losses but take tremendous power to operate when actually turned on. You save energy in the long run but require large bursts of it to run the electric "on-demand" heater. Off-grid electrical generating systems for households are not generally compatible with those heaters as they can't meet the peak demand.

It is extremely expensive to install enough generating capacity with wind, solar, or hydro to meet huge peak loads without resorting to banks of storage batteries and enormous/expensive inverters.

I'm not knocking going off grid but... in several years of keeping abreast of the state of the practice, I have never seen a solar installation that showed better economics than a grid hookup if readily available. When faced with installing many thousands of dollars worth of power lines and poles to get to a remote property, an alternative energy solution may be the better deal but that is one of the rare exceptions.

If seeing your meter run backwards is worth it to you do a grid intertie system, especially if you qualify for "net metering." When your peak consumption out paces your alternative energy generation capacity you draw from the grid and the meter runs up but when you are not using much energy the meter can run backwards. You only pay for your net consumption. There are no expensive banks of batteries needed, no big honkin' expensive inverters, and much less maint. You can use your electric instant heat water heater on this system.

If you have the discipline to eliminate most of your electrical consumption you could end up with little or no electrical bill with the grid intertied net metering system and not have the hassle of inverters and batteries.

Batteries are not good energy savings accounts. They do not pay interest! In fact, they charge you interest for storing your energy. You always put in significantly more energy than you get back out of batteries. This means larger more expensive banks of batteries and more solar, wind, or hydro power has to be put in to get what you need back out. This is why I suggested the net metering system where you can borrow energy from the grid and pay no interest if you just repay the energy loan before the end of the billing cycle. You will only pay for your average net consumption that is above your own generation capacity. Not much incentive to go too big with your net metering system as most contracts do not allow you to have a negative balance at the end of the billing cycle. That is, you can reduce your bill to zero but any extra energy produced beyond your own consumption goes to the utility for free. This is not so bad since they will loan you energy with no interest. You can use electricity from them at night when the sun doesn't shine and pay it back the next day (assuming solar power.)

Pat

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bobkrack
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/21/08 09:37 AM

Howdy Pat,
In reply to:


I'm not knocking going off grid but... in several years of keeping abreast of the state of the practice, I have never seen a solar installation that showed better economics than a grid hookup if readily available. When faced with installing many thousands of dollars worth of power lines and poles to get to a remote property, an alternative energy solution may be the better deal but that is one of the rare exceptions.

If seeing your meter run backwards is worth it to you do a grid intertie system, especially if you qualify for "net metering." When your peak consumption out paces your alternative energy generation capacity you draw from the grid and the meter runs up but when you are not using much energy the meter can run backwards. You only pay for your net consumption. There are no expensive banks of batteries needed, no big honkin' expensive inverters, and much less maint.




A much more viable solution - at least here in California where the electric rates are "tiered" - is to add a small amount of solar resource, hopefully just enough to keep you out of the higher priced tiers.

One example might be - solar panels for some daytime generation along with a "time of usage" agreement with the utility. Cheap night-time power, solar assist during the higher rate daytime (12 noon to 6 pm, for example).

Lots of thought needed to form a long term strategy.

Bob

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Pat
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: bobkrack]
      04/21/08 10:19 AM

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"Lots of thought needed to form a long term strategy.

Bob

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The latter comment is why you communicated with me?

Bob, good strategy. Using solar against the highest cost tier of grid power gives it a chance to be more competitive.

Load shedding during hours of peak consumption is sometimes rewarded by the utility. Some utilities separate the loads at the user's panel and put the non-essential loads on breakers that can be controlled by over the wire signals from the utility. Then at peak load times the utility shuts off the user's non-essential loads. There is usually little disruption to a family if they don't run the dishwasher or laundry during peak load hours and the DHW tank doesn't come on. Some houses have been set up with twin A/C systems where one system can often handle the job but two may need to run during the worst conditions. During peak load times the utility sends a signal and your A/C units can take turns running but not both at the same time. If the house were cooled well prior to the peak load period then it is likely the one system will get you by good enough till the peak period passes. Energy management is part and parcel with energy conservation.

Of course if you live where the RH is relatively low during hot weather then overnight whole house fan use and evaporative cooler during the day is way more economical than a compressor based air conditioner.

More and better insulation is a good thing until you reach the point of diminishing returns. At some point additional insulation just doesn't do much for you. When heat wicking through the studs and windows comprises the majority of heat transfer through a wall, additioinal insulation is not cost effective.

Insulated window covers or insulated drapes can be a very cost effective energy conservative measure. The best triple paned low E gas filled low infiltration windows pass more heat than a typical uninsulated wall. We sure like our window and views but they are expensive energy leaks that might as well be covered over when it is dark outside or when you are not home if the temperature differential inside to out is more than a few degrees or you will experience unwanted solar gain. In some climate zones, running a whole house fan for a while before turning on the A/C will pay decent dividends.

Sorry to go on and on but I once was the energy conservation officer at SuBase San Diego and I get carried away with the topic.

Pat

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Edited by Pat (04/21/08 10:22 AM)

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bobkrack
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/22/08 09:28 AM

"Lots of thought needed to form a long term strategy."
Bob________________________________________________
The latter comment is why you communicated with me?

Not at all, Pat. Your expertise and knowledge brings lots of ammunition to the war on energy and many other subjects!

I can only say the lazy man must just lower his usage, the smart man must take every advantage of the price structure, the practical man must do what his budget says - the effective man must prioritize and use all of the above.

Bob

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Pat
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: bobkrack]
      04/22/08 05:06 PM

Excuse my previous mediocre attempt at humor.

A smart move in my opinion is to buy a Kill-o-watt plug-in totalizing watt-hour meter and flip a bunch of breakers to determine which circuits are responsible for what consumption. Then with your refrigerator and any separate freezers temporarily unplugged and all the lights in the house turned off you can see which which breakers are supporting circuits with consumption. Once you ID the circuits with loads you can look for what the loads are.

Current popular phrasing is "vampire" loads. A non energy star computer not sleeping or hibernating when unused (or turned off) can take 200-400 Watts or so plus the standby consumption of printers and other peripherals. Instant on TVs and on and on. It all adds up.

I have a 65 inch (16:9 diagonal measurement) TV. One of the set up options is to conserve power 24-7 but you need several seconds (less than a minute) after turning it on before it even begins to have a picture and several more before it is a nice proper picture (less than a minute.) No big deal for me if it takes a couple minutes to get its terrific picture quality. Especially considering the wasted energy of having it ready for instant on 24-7.

Pat

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/23/08 12:03 PM

Pat,
I took no offense and did not think you meant any. I respect your presence here.

How would one go about a comprehensive study of energy savings devices and appliances? (In addition to your suggestion about "kill-a-watt" as a diagnostic tool) You're durned tootin' right about "vampire" or "phantom" loads!

We own 4 tvs (including quest room and rec room)-none have the setup feature you describe, as a matter of fact, one of them - if turned off at the power source - spends about 4 or 5 minutes reprogramming itself searching for available channel signals! NOT my favorite machine!

The durned VCRs, CD/DVD players, microwave, coffee pot, even the propane stove has electronics with phantom loads.

In our case, as each appliance is replaced, we vigorously investigate the energy usage including the phantom load and how to defeat the wastage. We have been using CFLs as our primary (90%+) lighting source for over ten years.

Bob

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: bobkrack]
      04/23/08 03:03 PM

Bob, We have no worries mate. I just blew a humor attempt (not a surprise.)

I was an early adopter of CFL (started about 1984), retrofitting oodles of them at SUBASE San Diego when I was the energy conservation officer. A local company made retrofit kits with a male medium base so you could convert an architectural ceiling can into a surface mount circuline by just screwing it in. I redesigned all the ball field lighting, the enlisted dining facility lighting, mark 48 torpedo rework facility and on and on. My first efforts were to find all the no-brainers that would have a short break even time and then with the CO's confidence massaged I could work on larger more complicated and expensive projects like cogen and such.

I recall when a medium base CFL to replace a 60 Watt tungsten bulb cost over $20 retail and was still a good deal. Now they are just a few bucks each when bought in econopaks.

I have three chandeliers for our great room. a pair of smaller ones with 16 bulbs each and the larger version with 25 bulbs. I populated them with the egg shaped 4 Watt CFL. Lots of light for cheap, looks good, and it doesn't cost so much to run the AC to pump the heat out. Just one of the chandeliers illuminates the great room and the loft sufficiently for good navigation and TV viewing (a big 64 Watts.) The only tungsten bulbs are those on IR motion detectors, in closets, and other super low use applications.

I don't have a check list per se for doing an energy audit but HF has the Kill-O-Watt devices at a good price (usually better on-line but our retail stores honor the on-line prices.) Once you have unplugged refrigerators, ice makers, and freezers and any plugged in room fans and such you can use it to find vampire loads. If you feel confident in your DIY electrician skills you can cobble the Kill-a-Watt between the breaker and its load and by plugging and unplugging things you can see which consumes how much. This goes way better with two people and a pair of handy talkies but alternatively you can just do a lot of leg work.

Some little loads are really just too small to worry about. For example, I have several electroluminescent night lights that run 24-7 as it would cost way more to control them with a photocell or put them on a timer than the energy saved. They literally run on pennies a year. The little timers use energy, much more than one of the electroluminescent night lights (like the Indiglow type)

By mutual consent I turned off the hydronics to the shower walls and floor yesterday. It feels terrific in winter and the heat is not wasted as it is inside the house but now that it is warming up the luxury effect that is sooooo nice in winter just is no big deal. Even though the shower heat does not impact the AC since the bathroom is last stop before the air is exhausted through a balanced ventilator with heat exchangers (ERV) and no bathroom air or humidity can get out of the bathroom except through the exhaust ports, the geothermal heat pump is a heat priority system and it will switch off the AC mode to heat water if any zone is calling and I'd just as soon skip that when we don't need to heat the house.

Pat


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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/24/08 04:43 AM


Will the LED lights become a player in the lighting systems?

They have made an impact on bicycle lights/headlamps and other such items. I can no longer find bulbs for my once cutting edge lighting systems.

Egon



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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: egon]
      04/24/08 08:12 AM

Egon, LED lamps (tungsten bulb replacements) are already on the market now for a few years. Prices have been falling. LED's are an efficient light source but still a bit pricey.

There is some research underway on a new incandescent filament technology that offers tremendous potential. Prototypes in the lab show terrific efficiencies but as is often the case the devil is in the details and in this case it is the details of an economical manufacturing processes with acceptable yields.

If this is worked out and becomes mainstream we will have come full circle back to incandescent filaments.

I like electroluminescent panels but they too are a tad pricey.

Pat

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eco-friendly stuff new [re: Pat]
      04/24/08 02:47 PM

Got a good laugh today while configuring a DELL server purchase for our company. One of the "check-box" options (usually hard disk upgrade, memory upgrade, etc.) was "Plant a tree to offset a workstation. $13" Another one was for $25 to have Dell send you a box to "recycle" a computer. Neither option is very cost-effective, in my opinion, but I'm sure there will be some folks who feel all warm and fuzzy about it and cough up the (real) green stuff. Then they'll jump in their SUV and drive over to Starbucks and pay for a latte instead of brewing a cup themselves


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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/24/08 04:43 PM

Thanks Pat!

The magic behind all these lights is quite beyond me on a technical basis.

I'm still upset with my obsolescent Pretzel gear! I mean I just got it about 10/12 years ago Or was it 15 years??

Egon

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: egon]
      04/25/08 10:52 AM

I am converting over time to LED flashlights. The little light I carry on my belt was left on overnight by accident and still gave months of service after that in intermittent use. You can get LED based replacements for bulbs for some of the standard flashlight types. Not cheap but they same on batteries a lot.

I think LEDs for light bulb replacement in domestic grid connected service is not so attractive as to start a stampede for LEDs. Now for a solar electric situation, that is different. reducing power requirements reduces solar panel and battery costs. LEDs are good in campers when no AC is available. I have solar panels on my camper and fluorescent lamps inside. LEDs would extend my power considerably and reduce my battery capacity needed. I have about 320 AH at 12 VDC capacity.

Pat

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      04/25/08 01:18 PM


I have LED flashlights also. Even some of the kind the are shaken to recharge the battery. My headlight has also been replaced by Led but the bicycle now sits light less.

Egon

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: egon]
      05/01/08 05:12 PM

When I was planning our new home I had an 'ah ha' experience relative to energy cost reduction schemes. It is sort of daunting to figure out the best route to go in terms of invested dollar versus investment return. Like figuring out whether it is best now to install dual-pane windows, or install a hot water solar collector. Insulation (of MANY different types) versus solar collector or windows. Radiant heat versus heat pump.

On and on and on. I mean that most of us are with limited financial resources, so we want to get the most for our outlay. Right???

At the very end of the day, those who want you to have the full picture will tell you that your biggest positive impact to the planet, and your wallet, is to use less. Conserve. Wear a sweater in the winter. Shorts in the summer. Turn off the light. Etc.

I got so tied up into the technologies of energy reduction that I missed out on the real savings of switching off the light. And THAT's where the money is.

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: SLOBuds]
      05/02/08 06:57 AM


Some real true statements there.

Egon

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: egon]
      05/02/08 09:21 AM

I know the philosophy... I didn't follow it.

I have built quite a large barn of a house. The redeeming twist is that I built it with energy conservation in mind. My utility bills are typically equal to or less than most people in this area with 1/2 to 1/3 of my floorspace. While my total consumption is not so much sub par (but is some), it is darned good for the situation.

Still, we don't over cool in summer nor overheat in winter and in the shoulder seasons we manipulate our opening windows. We haven't used our heat in a couple months and haven't used A/C yet. House is open now cooling down from hitting 76 inside yesterday. It has warmed up to 57F (0900) from 53F at 0630. It will get into the 70's outside today. When our weather station says the outside temp equals the inside we will batten down the hatches and be good all day.

We have a balanced ventilation system (ERV) which runs 24-7 exhausting stale air and supplying filtered fresh air so even with everything closed up we get fresh air. Later, in summer, we'll rely on our geothermal heat pump to cool the house economically.

Pat

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      05/03/08 02:40 PM

The greatest thing about where we are (ie, the good ol' US of A) is the ability to have choices and take those which make sense to each person. There have been instances for me that I've simply given up because of too many choices. I'm looking for a simple light fixture now and the variety/extent is so overwhelming that I quit after many long sessions just looking for the right thing. Frustrating, but not all that bad of a place to be in!

I choose my compromises and don't look back. My wife and I can live in a 600 square foot hole in the ground yielding zero carbon footprint year round. But we both want to have a bit more than that which requires more than zero carbon as well as other goodies that are probably not all that earth friendly. Still doesn't keep me from using CFLs everywhere in my rather large/somewhat poorly-insulated abode.

I'm happy. I do my part. And I don't think anyone else needs to poke holes in how much more I SHOULD be doing.


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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: SLOBuds]
      05/04/08 11:21 AM

But SLO, do you recycle your Wally World bags? (They take the used plastic bags back to be recycled, not reused.) How about your aluminum cans? Do you compost everything or let it go to the land fill. Blah blah blah etc???

Just funnin' ya! You seem to be a pretty responsible citizen to me.

We reuse the plastic Wal*Mart bags for all sorts of things, donate our aluminum cans to the senior citizens center so they can sell them for cash to spend on Christmas parties and such, but have cut back on our composting of household food materials.

Pat

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      05/04/08 03:38 PM


There is some of us on a low budget that's so low we pick the cans so we can buy dried beans. We don't worry about compost cause there aint nothing that misses the pot.

There is no wally world bags either. Can't shop there!

Egon

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      05/04/08 06:41 PM

Yea, we do all that stuff. But my father has an aluminum colander that he and my mom bought during the war - WW2 that is. Some time around the late 1960s one of the side handles broke off, so he repaired it with a stove bolt and nut, which are still on that colander to this day.

I come by these tendencies honestly.

Dad and I part philosophies when it comes to autos though. He thinks I should have a new car at least every 10 years, and I am sunk in love with my 1996 Toyota Avalon, 236,000 miles.

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: SLOBuds]
      05/05/08 04:50 AM




I drive a 96 truck and have an 87 car parked because I can't afford to drive it!

Egon

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: SLOBuds]
      05/05/08 07:37 AM

My dad was just the opposite. He didn't believe in buying new vehicles; said to let someone else take that first 2 or 3 years depreciation. And by the time he'd finally get rid of one, it was usually worn plumb out. Personally, I traded too often and let vehicles keep me broke. But now both our minivan and compact pickup are 2001 models with 93k and 57k miles, and we have no plans at all to replace either of them. Last week, it cost $246 to have the motor replaced for the swing out left rear power window in the van, and I almost never open that window anyway, but my wife does occasionally. I didn't think it was worth it, but I do want to keep everything original and working, and it's better than having a monthly car payment.

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: SLOBuds]
      05/05/08 05:35 PM

My parents had their attitudes adjusted by the great depression and WW II. Use it up and wear it out were the by words of the folks from that background. Those ideas were imprinted on me by my parents and relatives of similar age. My dad never bought a car on time and nearly nothing else, even a house. If you couldn't pay cash you either saved up or didn't buy it. We had a 3 br 2 bath brick home built in an old established neighborhood of Lindsay, Oklahoma. My dad paid for it in just a few payments, a big down and 2-3 payments.

I have had 6 new cars and trucks in my entire life and I have 3 of those right now. One was my first car, a 62 1/2 VW bug my mom bought me for $1300. Then came a 66 Sunbeam Tiger (165MPH), a 72 rotary Mazda, 97 Dodge Cumins 1 ton, 2004 Toyota Prius, and a 2008 Ford F-250 PowerStroke diesel crew cab. There were lots of other cars and trucks but all were bought used.

I even have two drawers for T shirts, the ones I am allowed to be seen in without a shirt over them and the other ones with paint stains and or holes.

I have one of the old fashioned Sunbeam MixMasters in the kitchen. It is not a reproduction. It is the one I got from my mom who used it from at least the late 40's.

Pat


"I'm not from your planet, monkey boy!"


Edited by Pat (05/05/08 05:37 PM)

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egon
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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      05/05/08 05:55 PM

Now two bathrooms; does that mean you move the tin tub to several different rooms.

Or does that mean there was a ladies and a men's outhouse.

As for new vehicles is each replacement for the old one is considered new!!

Egon

Edited by egon (05/05/08 05:56 PM)

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Re: living like a king on a low budget new [re: Pat]
      05/07/08 08:47 AM

Pat,Egon,slobuds,
Need to pass those "thrift" genes on to the next generation. Kids that grow up not wanting for anything don't appreciate the value of a dollar. I've told my kids it's "good to be poor" early in your adult life. It instills a good work ethic and tends to make you fiscally conservative. As Pat says, our parents/grand-parents who lived through the Depression never quite forgot those times. They would roll over in their graves if they heard about people with $20,000 credit-card debt stopping at Starbucks for a $ 5 coffee and charging it.

By the way Pat, that Sunbeam mixer was probably built better than the ones you can buy today. That's why it's lasted so long. We've still got some small appliances that we got as wedding presents some 35 yrs ago that still work.

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