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For lack of a better place to post this, here goes:
Where do you get the correct time? The time that is announced over the weather radio is different from the time that my clock displays. (It's one of those jobbies that receives the data from WWV in Colorado.) I go to the internet site Time and get yet another time. I've asked the chickens, but all their wrist watches are set differently. 
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Re: Correct Time?
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You need to edit your post to take the extra "http://" out of the link to get it to work. But I use http://www.time.gov/ myself.
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Thank you, Bird. It must be operator error, as I can't even get a simple link correct.
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Looks like you took the extra "http:" out but didn't take out the extra "//" so it still doesn't work. 
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You Want The Time Jassdad? You need one of these, Attached, and a recipe.
web page
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World Time Server Download the free executable Atomic Clock. Automatically update your computer clock when you tell it to ping the atomic clock. Even adjusts for latency in your internet connection.
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if anyone reading this is hearing an incorrect time off the weather radio - please PM me with the station you're listening to and your location....I'll get it corrected. (it's what I do)
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WWG-55 is correct.
Now if they could get the forecasts even CLOSE to correct.
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I used to really get into time. I coppied the morse code sent by WWV and WWVH. With the introduction of "Atomic" clocks I hardly ever get a time hack from WWV on HF.
My wifes new wristwatch has a receiver in it and is an "Atomic clock." I love it because her previous watch didn't keep time all that well and I had to reset it a few times a year in addition to the savings time hustle. Now it does it all itself. It stays right with the other atomic clocks spritzed around the house.
Of course there is a latency involved with atomic clocks due to the speed of light being finite not infinite. I thiink the transmitter is about 1500 miles from us so the time signals arrive here about 0.008 seconds late so her new watch is always about 0.008 seconds slow. (I made some simplifying assumptions and approximations but the result shoulid be accurate +/- 10%.
If she was never late more than 0.008 seconds I couldn't complain.
Adron, You are a sadist. Sending folks off on a mission that requires editing their registry is almost a guarantee that someone will have a BIG PROBLEM.
It reminds me of a guy who used to work on comms gear for an airbase. he would always tape a "diddle stick" to the back of each receiver. Then if anything went wrong or was suspected to be wrong the first bozo to take a look was armed with a tool to make it easy to un-allign every tuned stage in the receiver thus guarranteeing repeat business for the tech.
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That's what happens when you buy that expensive stuff. I just have a Timex and it gets set twice a year; that being when we change to and from daylight savings time. 
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Bird, One of the reasons I am glad it is automatic is because it is complicated. It has barometer, altimeter, thermometer, compass, and a bunch of timers and junk I don't even want to know about. GPS was the only thing it didn't have.
I asked her why she got it since we don't SCUBA, fly, or mountaineer hardly ever anymore. She says she feels more secure with a compass and likes it better than her old watch (also Casio) that had little add on thermometer and compass on the strap (SCUBA left overs.) She said she will never use all the features but didn't see a model with what she wanted without a lot of extra.
Expensive watch? Remember when Bulova Acutron was all the rage. Astronauts used it, divers, and on and on. Well I paid $200 for an Acutron with rotating divers bezel, waterproof to 666 feet. The first time I flooded it I was sailing and I didn't get my wrist more than a foot under water. Got it fixed on warranty. Next time was while strolling down the sidewalk in Hawaii and noticed it was all foggeg up on the inside from the humidity (didn't even imerse it!) Got it fixed under warranty. Wore it diving, flooded it, got it fixed under warranty. Finally it got to when I walked into the jewler's shop doing the warranty work he knew why I was there. The watch went out of warranty but the jewler had replaced practically every component so he said he woiuld fix it for $30 and give me a 1 yr warranty. Boy did he regret that! Eventually it quit. I took it in and told them to put in a new batt. If the batt makes it work then fine. If not then take the batt out and I'll scrap it. I gave it to a kid to experiment on. I bought a $26 Timex that lasted till the metal back corroded away but never leaked or had a problem.
Maybe the problem was depth. It was guaranteed to 666 ft and I never went more than 150 ft down and usually not more than about 75-90 ft. Maybe I didn't do deep enough. Since the Acutron episode I have never paid even as much as $100 for a watch.
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I once had a Casio with what was called an Altimeter included plus some other stuff. The altimeter made for a great barometer to note coming changes in weather and was reasonable close +/- 1000 feet on altitude. I believe it got damaged beyond repair in some incident,
I've also had some inexpensive Timex watches. The ones I liked best were the self winding ones. The newer ones, like the last one, had a bunch of buttons etc. that were too complicated for me. After a few attempts I usually didn't bother changing from daylight saving to standard time. Fortunately most of the top buttons broke off and the strap broke. It made the garbage bin.
And I also have the Proverbial Gold Watch and even a Mantle clock!
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Egon, My everyday wrist watch is a Timex "Iron Man" with an aftermarket strap called "THE STRAP" simple all black Velcro. The velcro is about ready to fall apart from wear and the big bezel on the watch has been missing in action for a year. Consequently some of the buttons are gone/inop. But, like you, I don't use all the "FEATURES" so I don't need all those buttons. The part that I like is the phone number storage and display. I can scroll through about 50 phone numbers in alphabetic o=rder by the names I entered. The watch came with a computer disk with a database program for organizing phone numbers and selecting all sorts of "features" on the watch. Then when you have everything the way you want it on the computer you transmit the data to the watch. The watch has a photodiode rcvr and the program makes a series of flashing bar code lookinig data representations on the screen. You aim the watch at the screen and it gets the message.
I bought a newer version and wear it when my clunker just looks too shabby. The new one doesn't do optical linkup, it has a cable that grabs onto the watch for a direct connection. I was some dissapointed when I opened the box and found that it was not the same.... oh well... progress. The plus is that you don't have to try to enter data on the watch but instead use the convenience of the computer. Decades ago there were watches that not only held phone numbers but would output the touchtones to dial the numbers. Unfortunately mine doesn't do that.
My first electric Timex was so crude that you could hear it in a quiet room... clicka clicka thunk, clicka clicka thunk, etc. If I took it off and put it on a hard surface it would rock back and forth in reaction to the motioin of the clunky guts. I used to takek it off at night (not my normal routine) because it was so loud. It just ran and ran and ran. Eventually contact with me corroded the cheap cast main piece until there was a leak path opening up around the stainless steel back. I gave it to a guy who epoxied it and wore it for many years.
My current clock "situation" is a grand father clock that likes to stop at 11:23 PM. IF I start it in the morning it runs all day but the next morning it will stopped at 11:23. It has been suggested that the moon dial is dragging but I don't know. It ran perfectly till it was padded and packed away. Then 5-6 yrs later when unpacked it has this problem. The only damage in transit and storage was an itsy bitsy screw fell out of the dial but I found it at the bottom of the pendulum chamber and put it back in. (I don't really know when the screw fell out, just when I noticed it.)
Out favorite clock is one we use against professional psychological advice. It is an "atomic" projector clock that puts the time and temps on the far wall of the bedroom in big "wife doesn't need glasses" size type. The projector uses a red LED so it doesn't disturb the night vision so much. It alternates the indoor and outdoor temp and for some reason we really like knowing what the temps are doing and feel deprived when for some reason don't know. These were available at Walgreens drugstore for $19.95.
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Golly, one wonders whatever happened to:
Sunup - sundown
hungry - hungry again - still hungry time!
My watches seem to have to take too much abuse to last a long time.
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All those times are still much in evidence down here plus several you didn't mention, eating related.
WinterTIME is a time too. 23F tonight but 40's tomorrow. Still lots of show and ice on the north side of roof and in the front yard shaded by the house but it is melting and my worst drought stricken pond is nearing the overflow now.
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I've never had any need or desire for a watch that tells me anything besides the time, date, and day or week. I can see how those things would be important to some people; just not to me. As for the grandfather clock, I would not allow one in my home. I suspect that's because when I was a kid, my great grandmother had one in her home; a house that had heavy drapes never opened, a dark dreary atmosphere to an outdoor type kid, and that tick tock, tick tock sound is just something I would never tolerate for long.
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Bird, Too bad you have those negative psychological factors preventing your appreciatioin of a grandfather clock. Our clock doesn't tick very loudly at all but the chime is audible for sure. When we lived on our boat we had a ship strike clock and we soon got used to the bells. I think you hear them subconsciously and know what time it is but don't consciously know it is chiming. You get a bell for every 30 min from 1-8 bells (4 hours) and then it repeats. Likewise we easily got used to the chimes of the clock and they don't interfere with sleep. For some guests who obsess over the chimes, not because they are that loud but because they can hear them at all, we just put it on silent when we go to bed. Not having the chimes in the night doesn't bother us at all. I have known people who lived near noise sources that when turned off made them sleepless. A pump station in one instance and a train in another.
I also know people who look down their noses at a watch that does anything but tell time, claiming they sure don't need to be told what day it is or the date, what dummies people are who need such extravagant things. If my watch didn't have day/date I'd be unlikely to know what day it was all the time and the date would certainly escape me.
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Yep, Pat, much depends on what you are accustomed to. I was about 15 when we moved to a place in Marlow about 2 blocks from the railroad tracks, so we heard the trains frequently, but you soon ignore them. Then when we moved to Plano, TX, a couple of months before I turned 17, Dad bought a house that was on a lot adjoining the railroad yard, and facing the highway through town. So we had several trains a day going by within 100 feet of the house and blowing their horns approaching the highway, and in no time at all, the only time we even noticed it was if we were watching TV, because they would drown out the sound.
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My grandma's most prized possession was the loudest and most obnoxious cuckoo bird clock I've ever heard in my life. I never fathomed what life mistake grandpa had made to deserve such a perpetual torture.
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It was my paternal great grandmother who had the grandfather clock that I didn't like. And my maternal grandmother used to have a cuckoo clock. Of course as a kid, I thought that was a pretty neat clock. At least the sound it made wasn't continuous.
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Bird, I laugh to think of the story my dad told me about one of the big pump stations on a main Magnolia Pipeline Company pipeline N-S through midwest (northern terminus was at Lima, Ohio.) The pump station involved was powered by several quite large diesel engines running 24-7 and making quite a noise that carried quite a ways. When the whole operation was shut down for a couple days they got a lot of complaining phone calls from folks whose sleep was disturbed by the lack of the sound of the station. I suppose it masked random night noises and gave a smooth noise background that was easy to get used to but when it was stopped the residents could hear every car door, front door, dog bark, owl hoot, night bird, etc. and not being used to the "normal" night sounds were bothered by it.
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Pat, to some of us, at least, that's quite understandable. It's only the "unusual" noise, or lack thereof, that interferes with our sleep.
Along those same lines, you know I spent a lot of time working nights and sleeping in the daytime. And when we had a couple of young kids, they sometimes got a bit rowdy and noisy, I guess, but never interfered with my sleep. What did awaken me many times was when I'd hear my wife yell, "YOU KIDS BE QUIET; YOU'RE GONNA WAKE UP YOUR DADDY!!"
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Bird, My dad did shift work when we lived in Lima, Ohio as the tank farm had to be manned 24-7 to receive and trasfer oil to the Buckeye Oil Co. from Magnolia Pet. Co. (Mobil)
I sure do connect with the, BE QUIET; YOU'RE GONNA WAKE UP YOUR DADDY!!" I heard it a zillion times.
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My dearest sets our clocks ahead so she'll never be "late". And what's worse, she adds from 5-20 minutes randomly.
With our anniversay approaching in a couple weeks, ya'll have inspired me to surprise her with a radio-controlled atomic wall clock, perfect time with the only manual setting being time zone.
My kids are gonna bust a gut, hehe
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We have one of those "atomic clocks" (which actually get their time from the transmitter in Colorado). It sets itself 2 minutes slow.
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Bret, maybe that's what I have on the nightstand by the bed. It's a $15 GE clock/radio. The only reason I bought it was because it had big numbers that are easy for an old man to read, AND especially because I thought I MIGHT (but hopefully not) need an alarm clock sometime and would likely not hear a regular alarm clock anymore. At any rate, I just plugged it in and it set itself. It has a switch on the side to flip for "daylight" or not daylight time. And that's the only setting it's ever required. I did look at the manual last night and it says they recommend changing the batteries in it every 3 to 5 years. I guess I'll have to start thinking about that, since it was 3 years old in September.
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LazyJArabians, Be gald you aren't in one of those little south sea islands (don't recall the name of the place(s) now) that have their civil time off from the next "ZONE" by an amount of time NOT an hour but something like 19 min or whatever. It makes their local noon coincide with 1200 for their own custom time zone and they are so small you don't notice a lot of error from one side of the island to the other. Anyway, the upshot of this is they can't use a simple off the shelf commercial atomic clock since they are only setable to the nearest hour or time zone.
We have four of the atomic alarm clocks with inside and outside temp, two of which are the projector type that project the time and the temp on the ceiling or wall with a red LED that doesn't mess with your night vision. The projector ones were $19.95 at Wallgreens but they are available at lots of places. For regular daytime use I like the ones wilth the BIG digital display rather than the projector and little display on the front as the projection is too dim to see in the daylight but is big enough to read without glasses in a dim lit or darkened room.
Clever lad, we'll see how your social experiment goes. Let us hear how the RIGID one-hour-at-a-time only setable clock experiment goes and is accepted... or not.
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That is strange, Bird. Why would you need batteries if the clock sets itself?
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Beats me, Brett. I would assume the two AA batteries are primarily backup for power outages. And I've never had to reset it in spite of many power outages and even two moves to new homes. I've never even figured out how to operate the thing without the manual. Oddly enough for anything with batteries, the batteries were included with this clock. There's a 4 postition switch to set the time zone, a 2 position switch to indicate daylight savings time or not, and the manual has a "WARNING: Please avoid playing with these buttons after entering the Clock/Alarm set mode." But the manual does include instructions for setting the date and time "in case the memory holding batteries are accidentally removed." It would make sense to me that backup battery power only "holds" the date and time set. But in 3 years, the time hasn't drifted off at all. 
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Bird and Brett, Time doesn't drift on our "atomic" clocks because the NIST National Institute of Standards and Technology, I think and used to be National Beaureau of Standards) has an atomic clock, a real atomic clock that uses the accurate oscillations of Cesium atoms to maintain time extremely accurately. They broadcast time signals that can be picked up by our "atomic" clocks and even though our colcks could in theory be so sloppy as to drift a second or two a day they get reset just about every night so there is no accumulation of errors.
My projector clocks require two double A cells. I read the manual carefully and found the plug in wall power supply is to power the projector long term without running the batts down. The clock is battery operated. Nt a clue why this arrangement.
In the old days some electric clocks were wind up clocks that were electrically wound and had no particular accuracey advantage (remember when dash clocks in cars would make a spark in the dark every so often and a click noise?). Later the clocks were synched to the power line AC voltage which is 60 Hz. The utilites used to adjust the frequency just a tiny little bit to keep the long term electric clocks set properly (no long term accumulationi of errors.)
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Re: Correct Time?
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Yep, Pat, I believe my 1955 Cadillac Coupe DeVille had the clock that was periodically wound electrically. Of course that car was 5 years old when I bought it. And as with most automobile clocks of that time, it was highly inaccurate or unreliable.
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Re: Correct Time?
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01/26/07 11:05 PM
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'55 Caddie from Bird's flambouyant years
Chrome baby ...
Fully loaded with A/C, power seats, and hydraulic power windows ... 5,000 lbs
Limited trunk space tho ...
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Somebody must have painted it. It used to be white over green (and a different shade of green, at that). Hydraulic power windows? It was the first car I ever owned with air-conditioning (which blew the air from ducts behind the rear seat forward instead of from the dash), power seat, and power windows, but I don't recall any hydraulics.
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Re: Correct Time?
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first car I ever owned with air-conditioning
I owned a '56 Chevy a bit later. I learned then that AC was just coming into Detroit autos around '55 or '56 ('56 in the case of Chevy, it makes sense the luxury line, Caddy, would have had it earlier).
The early AC units were primitive. Chevy's mounted under the dash, and looked like a monstrous afterthought. It resembled some of the add-on units you could buy into the '60's. When it worked, it would freeze you out.
I acquired the original shop manuals for my '56 Chevy. It took two. One was the main manual, and the second was a supplement (several hundred pages) devoted to cooling theory in general, and the Chevy AC unit in particular. If you studied it, you would have the equivalent of a Junior College course in AC theory and operation.
We bought an old clunker '56 Caddy in college (in 1966), and used it for triple dating. The fuel gauge didn't work, so you put gas in when you "checked it out", and hoped. The Wonder Bar radio was amusing; since it was also broken, it would seek forever if pushed the bar.
Probably the most unusual original option I found later on for my '56 Chevy was a vacuum opertated ash-tray cleaner. A vacuum hose attached to the bottom of the ash-tray, and when you pushed the button, it sucked the contents to an under-dash-mounted glass jar.
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Re: Correct Time?
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I'd forgotten about the Wonder Bar radio, but, yep, I had that. Don't recall ever even hearing of that ash tray cleaner, though. Of course, I well remember the '56 Chevys. I liked the '56 better than the '55 myself. But June of '56 was when my Dad bought the first service station, next door to a Chevy dealer. And with the drought in southern Oklahoma that year, farmers were broke, and the Chevy dealer went out of business that Fall. And when putting gas in the '56 Chevy with the filler behind the left taillight, you had to know what you were doing or it would shoot gas way out behind the back of the car (all over you if you were standing in the wrong place). And those early under dash, monstrous air-conditioning units were not only in the way, but cars were notorious for overheating with the a/c condenser in front of the radiator.
I guess it was the '57 Chevys that first came with tubeless tires and a lot of folks just plain didn't trust them, so I had customers bring brand new cars in to get us to put tubes in all the tires.
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Re: Correct Time?
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Bird, I recall the Caddy style a/c vents. Almost looked like plastic ladies hose demo legs on the deck by the rear window and aimed forward. At least that is the way I recall them through the adolescent mind filter in use at the time. I also recall guys out "draggin' Main" with their windows rolled up on a hot day because they thought it would make folks think they had A/C!!!
I recall the dash clock my dad installed in our clockless '56 Studebaker he took over as an oil field work car when he bought my mom the BATMOBILE (black 1959 Buick.) He hung an old manual wind wrist watch from the dash.
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Re: Correct Time?
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Yep, Pat, your memory is good on the Caddy a/c vents. I couldn't think of a good way to describe them, but you got it just right.
Studebaker as an oil field work car? Hadn't heard that before, but it does bring back memories of something a little different. In the early '50s, Dad worked for Johnston Testers in Healdton and Marlow. He was "shop man" which meant he stayed in the shop, answered the phone, unloaded, cleaned, lubricated, etc. the equipment off trucks that came in from jobs, got it all ready for the next job, etc. The trucks were one ton dually pickups with a rack in the floor that the test equipment laid on, and the test equipment was nothing more than a series of pipe, some perforated sections, one section with a big rubber collar that would expand under the weight of the drill stem to "plug" the hole, the perforations let the pressure in to a recording instrument in one section of the pipe. Each of the testers had his own truck, but Dad was also furnished a truck because if all the testers were out on jobs and another call came in, then Dad went and did the job himself. But since his truck wasn't used a lot except to and from the office, he had the oldest truck; a Studebaker. All the others were Fords and Chevys. But that old Studebaker was actually a good old truck.
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Re: Correct Time?
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Bird, The Studebaker was a 1956 4 door President with the hugh Packard V-8. The only car I ever had with the underhood volume so packed with engine was the Tiger where a Ford V-8 was stuffed into the space originally intended for a 1725cc 4 banger.
My dad opined that the heavy engine of the Studebaker would beat the front suspension out of the car before too long and he sold it before it happened and bought a 1954 Pontiac straight 8 that was a real tank. I remember that the Studebaker didn't like the class of service it was put into and would tend to oveheat. I went with my dad to work during summer vacation because I got to drive without a lisc when off public roads. We used to park the 2-3 year old Studebaker facing into the wind so it would cool itself. At high speeds on the highway it cooled itself fine but it didn't like the way it was used in the oil fields.
I have seen Studebaker pickups but was never in one. My dad only owned one PU in his life, a 1/2 ton 2x4 Ford, probably a '60 or maybe a '61 with 3 speed column shift. I won a bet one time when I was a senior in HS with that truck. I bet that I could startit up drive it around a prescrtibed course and stop it without ever touching the clutch, including the inital engine starting. I did it.
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