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I like plain popcorn with just salt on it. Years ago the guys and I would leave the bar and go to someone's house and play penny-anti poker all night on friday or saturday night. We always popped up a bunch of corn. Recently I bought a popper called Stircrazy for $26. at Wallyworld. It makes perfect popcorn! No old maids! I bought some corn that didn't pop up very well. Size was less than 1/2". I googled popcorn and there is a national info website. Long story longer it said if corn dosen't pop up very well add 1 tablespoon of water to a quart of raw corn in a closed container and roll around for 2 days. It works! It pops up bigger, so I added another tablespoon and even bigger. Now the corn is about 1" in size. I know it's not microwave, so I'm old fashion! But I thought someone else might find this useful.
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Re: Popcorn
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Years ago the guys and I would leave the bar and go to someone's house and play penny-anti poker all night on friday or saturday night.
That's a pass time I haven't engage in for many years, but used to sure enjoy.
As for the popcorn, that sounds interesting and I'd heard long ago that if it was too dry, it wouldn't pop as well, but as with many people, we just use the microwave popcorn now.
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Re: Popcorn
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01/18/07 10:18 PM
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Add a drizzle of Cholula or Tapatio hot sauce, then sprinkle with garlic powder
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I too enjoy popcorn. In fact I consider it food.
But we do have a problem here. We tried several different hot air poppers but could get neither to work properly. We then switched to the micro wave variety but have since found out that it contains teflon.
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01/19/07 11:42 AM
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I bought a hotair machine a while back. I popped about 3 batches and gave it to the little girl next door. They make lousy popcorn! And the salt won't stick. The Stircrazy makes it perfect everytime. It has a stir rod that moves the kernels until they pop. I found that most microwave popcorn upsets my stomch (sp?) the only one that didn't was Orville.
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01/19/07 12:54 PM
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The moisture content of the corn has a big influence on popping. You can get too caried away with adding moisture and make the hull too soft and it will not hold enough pressure before it bursts and you don't get maximum volume. There is a "sweet spot" where volume is max. Less moisture and the yield is less. More water and the yield is less.
I have never tested the idea but suspect that yoiu don't want to mopisturize too large of a supply (beyond what you would consume soon) as the extra moisture promotes growth of both micro organisms and yo could sprount the corn.
Hey Egon, I like popcorn with Laura Scudders crunchy peanut butter as a topping. A tad messy but in the dark watching a movie, who will see you lick your fingers?
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01/19/07 01:49 PM
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We tried new and different kinds of poping corn and all met with little success.
Sticky fingers would muck up the Library books I read while eating popcorn.
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Egon, I find ways to hold the book with one hand so as to leave a hand free for a Diet Coke and or popcorn or ...
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Re: Popcorn
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01/19/07 02:41 PM
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I never heard of popcorn containing teflon. Orville does have good popcorn, but last year I stocked up on a pretty large quantity of "Trails End" boy scout microwave popcorn and I've been well satisfied with it. Of course it says there's 38 servings to the package . . . my wife and I eat a whole package as two servings anytime we pop it. There's even been a time or two when she didn't help me eat it, although the dog always gets a little bit, but we've never had any left over night or thrown any away.
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01/19/07 04:01 PM
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I just recently found out about the Teflon. It may be mentioned on the fine print on the back.
What I was told there is Teflon sprayed on the inside of the bag which gets on the popcorn when it pop's.
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01/19/07 05:50 PM
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OK, Egon, I only looked at the box, the list of ingredients, nutritional information, etc. and the outside of the individual packages. When I remove the bag from the outer wrapper on one next time maybe I'll find more.
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01/22/07 09:33 AM
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Has anyone a reference to an authoritative source (not junk science) that says Teflon is a danger to humans? Maybe I just haven't been paying attention but I thought the danger of Teflon was that it can emit PHOSGENE gas when heated to very high temps. If you put a Teflon coated pan on the stove top and turn the burner up you can emit Phosgene, a poison gas used in WW I. Below the temp where that reaction takes place I believe Teflon is extremely inert.
Any refs to credible scientific studies or published papers in refereed journals commonly accepted as "informed sources?" Examples would be JAMA, The Lancet, etc.
When looking in Google you get inundated in junk science on this topic. DANGEROUS POISONUS CHEMICALS ARE USED IN ITS MANUFACTURE!!!!! Salt is made out of two very dangerous chemicals, sodium and chlorine, both are virulent poisons but where are the scare stories regarding the salt on microwave popcorn?
At or above about 460F Teflon can break down and produce Phosgene gas a dangerous poison. If you don't have a good range hood with powered exhaust and can't remember to put food in a pan you have sitting on a burner turned up high then perhaps you should consider not having Teflon pans in your kitchen.
Water based foods (most are) will not let a pan get hot enough to even be a concern. It is difficult to get food heated to temps much above the boiling point of the water they contain. Now if you let a pan boil dry then of course the temp will go up and you could achieve temps above 460F (along with a lot of smoke and odor of burned food.) This would not be a "stealthy" process that you would be unaware of. You won't get a container of food heated above 460F and not know it, poisoning your self and others unwitingly. The food will be a scorched and hardened lump of inedible residue likely much worse that the worst hardened lump of scorched residue ever served to you under any circumstances (like eating charcoal brickettes.)
There are popcorn popping appliances that go inside of your microwave. They are moderately priced at Wal-Mart. They allow the use of flavorings and oils if desired which makes them more versitile than an air poppper whiich forbids the use of flavorings and oils in the popping chamber. I like popcorn from most poppers including a cast iron fry pan or dutch oven. It took a while to get used to the air popper since it didn't produce corn like momma used to make. I also like microwave popcorm and usually use the low fat type. I too disagree with the servings information on the bag or box. If we share a bag it contains precisely two servings. If we do not share it then it contains exactly one serving.
If after divesting yourself from the junk science sensationalist press and misguided web info and still are uneasy about Teflon or are afraid yoiu will scorch empty pans with no range hood then avoid it. If you avoid everything proclaimed to be BAD on the WWW I'd sure be interested in seeing a log of what you ate for a month.
Note, I am not promoting the use of Teflon in the kitchen. I don't have stock in Dupont. I do, however, tend to not be stampeded by the National Enquirer level of science reporting that has a bunch of uninformed bozos quoting each other similar to the INFORMED SOURCES that still report on the VALIDITY of crop circles.
Now if popcorn were properly genetically engineered to have a Teflon coating on the outer shell of the kernel then you wouldn't need Teflon pans!
Oh, and by the way Teflon is what makes the "miracle" fabric, GORETEX work. Avoid folks with Goretex parkas or boots as if they get overheated they may emit poisonous gas.
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One site:
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/forum06/A-03.htm
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Thanks, Egon. Excellent reference. That is the first half of the required information. The chemicals do migrate in extremely small quantities into people. Before there should be widespread excitement we need to get an additional scientifically derived result. This additional result is that there is a measured toxic effect of some sort attributed to the substance at the levels of contamination measured.
There are myriad man made substances turning up in humans. Some pose a clear and present risk and some don't. If the Teflon related substances are shown to cause human health problems, in the concentrations normally observed, I will abandon Teflon cookware, at least in high temp applications as I don't think Teflon at below or not much above body temperature will migrate into a persons body anywhere near like eating hot microwaved popcorn. OR doing high temp cooking with a Teflon skillet.
As a person with lots of electronics hands on experience with Teflon coated wiries I think the lead exposure through soldering was probably much more dangerous than the Teflon exposure.
I have a perfectly good set of stainless steel pots and pans with thick aluminum pads on the bottoms for even heat spreading so it isn't like I can't dodge Teflon in high temp cooking. My highest temp cooking is in a wok and of course it is not Teflon coated.
We'll have to monitor the "informed sources" and see what if any prelim results are found in toxicity studies that would quantify the risk.
Thanks for the above site, Egon.
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There are some sites showing workers in the industry have been afflicted with disorders arising from the packaging of micro wave popcorn. Just backtrack on the site that was posted.
There are some lawsuits pending.
If I recall correctly I once read/was told/heard?? that if you have canaries in the house you can't use Teflon cookware??
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Perhaps a canary should be REQUIRED in a house with Teflon cookware. If the canary dies, go get yourself checked out. Of course you'd have to be sure the canary didn't die from natural causes.
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Egon, I'm not sure what you mean by "backtrack" so I read some EPA documentation and other of the less non-sensational sources. So far I have found evidence that materials used in the manufacture of Teflon, not Teflon itself, has potential harmful effects.
As regards there being lawsuits over Teflon, probably so, and just about every other thing that can be sued over is being sued over irrespective of the validy of the basis of the suit.
I do try to keep an open mind. If you could direct me to a specific site with info showing Teflon itself to be a hazard (at normal cooking temperatures) I would be very appreciative. I would also have a whole set of new rifle targets. Since I don't MAKE Teflon and don't have exposure to its original ingredients then that issue is not of direct importance to me.
As a social issue, with proper documentation, I might support tighter regulation of the hazardous materials used in manufacturing Teflon but need to have a lot more evidence from credible sources than I have seen to date before I think a ban, boycott or any restriction in the use of Teflon is warranted.
If you are making Teflon then you may be exposing yourself to health hazards. If you are letting hazardous substances used in its manufacture escape into the environment then you are poluting and need regulations/enforcement to curtail/control your activity.
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This refers to some of the vapours from the flavorings.
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/2004/Microwave-Popcorn-Toxic28feb04.htm
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Egon, I'm sorry but I don't see the connection with Teflon. Surely at sometime someone has been hit over the head with a popcorn popper, bag of popcorn, or slipped on spilt popcorn oil but what has it to do with Teflon?
If you'd like to change the topic to THE EVILS OF POPCORN instead of the EVILS OF ONE OF THE CHEMICALS USED TO MAKE TEFLON that is OK with me. Think of all the teeth chipped or broken on popcorn! Think of the mercury poisoning due to disturbed or dislodged amalgam fillings as a result of popcorn.
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I surrender while awaiting information from my son. He was the source.
Till then I'll admit defeat and go have a bag of microwave popcorn for breakfast!
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Alton Brown, Good Eats show on the Food Network, recently had a show about popcorn. Apparently it was a good breakfast food in Colonial Times. Bowl of poopcorn, milk and sugar. Yum Yum!
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Egon, You have raised a valid concern that is a hazard for people in industry who are involved with the production of Teflon. We need to keep an eye on the unfolding story staying alert to any credible reports regarding problems with human or food to Teflon contact at temperatures well below 460F.
At the current time Teflon is used in internal medical devices such as replacement joints. There are well established and definitely non-trivial procedures in place that candidate items must make it past to be accepted for use internally such as heart valves and artificial knees, hips, etc. I woudl be surprised if the medical approval authorities and procedures missed a dangerous substance to be put into a persons body for an extended period of time (maybe decades.) It is possible so we will have to monitor the situation to be sure and be comfortable with our non-stick cookware.
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Pat; the more I read about it leads to not the Teflon but the flavorings that go into the popcorn being hazardous to the factory workers if proper air management practices are not followed.
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Egon, I read about the workers breathing the flavor stuff too. I don't know about the process used to put Teflon on the bags. I don't know if that exposes the workers to the ingredients of Teflon making or just the Teflon itself. Also I don't know what the peak temperatures are on the bottom portion of the bag when being zapped in the microwave.
The paper bag does get fairly scorched and as we all learned fron Ray Bradbury's "Farhenheit 451", paper begins to burn at 451F which is getting close to the temp where Teflon emits Phosgene gas (about 460F.) I suspect that first use of a popcorn bag does not emit Phosgene and the temp doesn't get to 460F, partially ldue to the steam bath created in the bag by the popping kernels releasing moisture.
The bag has a warning on it to not reuse. I had originally thought that was due to a fire hazard or to promote not popping your own corn in their bag, thereby increasing their sales but that was speculation.
If first use emitted phosgene we'd likely have heard about it long before this. Maybe all the sensitiveand delicate pet birds like canaries would be dieing in homes that frequently used microwave popcorn. My best buddy in SOCAL (La Mesa) loves popcorn and has canaries. The birds seemed healthy in spite of all the microwave popcorn.
The press and many others just love sensationalism. An editor faced with the decision to title a piece something like "Food industry workers exposed to dangerous substances." or "KILLER POPCORN... Microwave popcorn ingredients subject of giant lawsuit, concerns for Teflon safety."
Which do you think would go to print?
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If you get your hands on a Whirlypop cooker, they are beyond compare. I got mine from ebay along with the baby white Amish popcorn. Best I ever had.
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