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Handyman
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It's BBQ season again new
      03/05/04 09:24 AM

Yes folks the warmer weather is quickly approaching us once again.

I've been checking out the new 2004 model grills and I'm just having a hard time not buying one... Fotrunantly for me as much as I would love a nice 4 burner stainless steel grill, I have no need for one of that size. A 2 burner would be more than adiquate.

But... I'm a old charcoal diehard... I like the flavor, and the smell. Propane is more like cooking on a stove (outdoors) than anything else and you cannot smoke on a propane.
Sooooooooooo , here I sit with my delema. Should I or shouldn't I...

I already own 2 Webers (kettle & table top), 1 barrel grill/smoker and 2 table top propane bottle types (1 worn out the other goes on the road with me). I use the worn out table top for the fast grill'n needs or after dark times, but I'm getting tired of having to replace those little 1 lb bottles every 4th use, not to mention it gets expensive compared to a 20lb bottle.

I love my collection of grill, but I need to thin them out...

One thing I have noticed with this yrs model and that is they have gotten away from Lava rocks... but are designed with brass burners and heat deflectors.

Sorry, but I thought that the lava rocks helped with the flavor from previous meat drippings to add some flavor.. you might want to say were seasoned.

I suppose you could put a piece of expanded metal over the burners and still add the rocks.

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egon
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Handyman]
      03/05/04 09:32 AM

Enjoy the flavor, dispense with the mercapton; switch to wood burned down to coals.

Egon

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fivestring
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Handyman]
      03/05/04 09:43 AM

I just bought a new 2004 model Char Broil grill. $260 @ Lowe's.
It's a 3 burner with a fourth burner on the side. It does not use lava rock, and I'm glad. Lava rocks are only good for keeping a more even heat bed.

"Sorry, but I thought that the lava rocks helped with the flavor from previous meat drippings to add some flavor.. you might want to say were seasoned."
Marinate your meat overnight in the fridge for seasoning and flavor. This is true for all meat -- pork, red meat, ribs, poultry, etc. It is especially true with ribs.

If you want to add smoke flavor, soak your favorite wood chips (I like hickory, apple and pecan) overnight. Take a piece of aluminum foil and make a container (about 4"w x 2"h x 8"l) and place the wet chips inside. Fold the top over so it is basically an aluminum container with a lid with wood chips inside. Poke several holes on the sides and top of this aluminum foil contailer and place the thing on your grill grate. Voila, smoke!!!
I keep the chips on the fire side and the meat on the other side of the grill where the burner is off (or at the lowest setting) so it is cooked indirectly.
I'm going to try to add a little smoke to some NY Strip steaks next time I grill out.

I also have a Smokey Joe smoker (charcoal) for ribs, turkey breasts, chickens, etc.
For me, nothing beats charcoal for smoking. I smoked 6 racks of ribs 1 1/2 months ago. (It usually takes about 3 - 3 1/2 hours to cook.) We froze the leftovers and now all we have to do is get them out of the freezer (vacuum sealed) and put in boiling water to heat. MMMMMMMMMmmmmmm!

Gary
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Edited by fivestring (03/05/04 09:47 AM)

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Pat
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: fivestring]
      03/05/04 01:29 PM

There are probably more little nuances of BBQ technique than there are practitioners of BBQ. As to a comment along the lines of Propane has no place in a good BBQ rig, I say NOT SO! I have eaten professionally prepared BBQ that was cooked mostly by heat from a propane fire. It was indirect heat as the fire heated the bottom of a container that had the racks for the meat and the products of combustion were not in contact with the meat. Not that the combustion gasses would be bad for flavor but the chamber with the meat had wood for producing "flavor smoke" and the air was controlled for controlling the burning of the flavor wood and was not influenced by the combustion needs of the propane fire.

This allowed thermostatic control of the temp of the meat chamber as the propane fire could cycle on and off as required to maintain the optimum cooking chamber temp and the dampers controlling air into the cooking chamber could be adjusted manually by experienced operators to produce optimum smoke effects. The two controls interact but aren't hard to adjust as once the thermostat is set that controls the propane fire you do what you want to the wood smoke fire and the propane fire cycles as required.

This uses a lot less flavor wood than conventional BBQ rigs but can produce a lot more flavor smoke on less wood. The meat can get the optimum cooking environment and the optimum flavoring environment. You can make really strongly flavored and tasty meats with various flavor woods and combinations of flavor woods but have the overall cooking control of thermostatically controlled gas cookinig.

The layout of the cooker was pretty simple. Basically concentric containers. It looked a lot like two big pipes of different sizes, one inside the other in a concentric arrangement. The propane fire was at the bottom between the inner and outer tanks and the fire and heat wrapped around the inner container and the exhaust flue was on top near the center. The outer container was insulated on the outside to increase efficiency, reduce fuel consumption, and promote even heating of the inner container. The inner container was accessed through doors in one end. The other end had the attached flavor wood burning chamber with its dampers. I don't know if the flavor wood was partially gas fire heated or if the gas burner in that part was just for starting the wood fire. What I do know was that there were some truly amazing flavors of meat prepared with this cooker. The smoke flavoring was adjustable but due to the separation of flavoring smoke production and cooking heat production you could make some really potently smoked meat without overcooking.

The rig was portable, trailer mounted, and used by a guy and helpers who catered BBQ outings. Some of my relatives in Mississippi belonged to a BBQ club where the members take turns in rotation supplying the meat for the monthly BBQ. Most times this caterrer was used. The club even had a permanent picnic ground set up with tables and lights. They would typically do both beef and pork with turkey and venison in small "sample" quantities.

Once in a while, given a good excuse, a subset of the club would seine a farm pond and have a fish fry. Our family arriving on vacation to visit served as that excuse a couple times. Three legged black cast iron wash pots were hung over wood fires, filled with oil (lard mostly) and brought to heat and they'd dump in fish and scoop them out when they floated to the top and turned the right shade of golden brown on the cornmeal coating.

As a youngster I didn't like meal on my fish but preferred flour. This created quite a stir among the cooking crew who were amused by the food preferrences of that "northern boy."

Incidently, our laundry was boiled in the same pots over wood fires as well. No to to go into great detail but this was not too long prior to the social changes wrought and or initiated by the most reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Pat

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egon
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Pat]
      03/05/04 03:33 PM

Oh the implications and variances of burning meat!!

A wood fire takes time to get to the proper "Hot Coals" stage. During this process it should be watched carefully. Of course a cool beverage or two or ?? made from barley malt may be required to refurbish fluids lost by the fire watch labour induced sweat.

This same beverage has excellent marinating properties also.

If the proper coals appear too suddenly a green log can always be placed on the fire to increase marinating time.

Egon

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Bird
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Pat]
      03/05/04 04:23 PM

In reply to:

There are probably more little nuances of BBQ technique than there are practitioners of BBQ




Ain't that the truth?!! The first house (an 18 year old little house) that we bought had a gas grill at the edge of the patio (natural gas), and when we bought the next two new homes, the first thing I had done was to install a gas grill on the patio, but while the first little house had a little gas grill, on the next two I got the biggest thing the gas company sold and with a rotisserie (did I spell that right?). We loved them for steaks, burgers, etc. and the rotisserie was great for chickens and turkeys. And with the dual burner grills, the meat on one side with the other burner lit under a pan of wet wood chips (hickory or mesquite), it didn't do too bad a job of smoking. But then I bought the biggest Cookin' Cajun smoker; charcoal with the water pan; 5 pounds of charcoal with some overnight soaked hickory chips, and much better for smoked salmon (and some other kinds of fish - my personal favoritie being shark steaks), smoked oysters, turkeys, and chicken.

We got rid of all that for the 6 years we spent in an RV; used a Jet Stream grill (and still do), but when we quit RV travel and bought the farm, a friend gave us an electric, smaller Cookin' Cajun smoker; not bad for grilling steaks or chops, but not worth a hoot otherwise; got too hot too quick.

Neighbors had two big barbecue rigs, used wood; not charcoal, and had an annual July 4th barbecue with a big crowd. I provided the rabbits and some of the briskets, and they barbecued several rabbits, several briskets, one goat, and a few chickens; delicious. He got up a couple of times during the night to add wood to the firebox.

And now we're back in town; have some real Mexican neighbors who bring back their charcoal from Mexico; not the little bricketts you buy in the grocery store, but charcoal that looks like big chunks of burnt logs. Ordinary little charcoal grill/smoker, but never seen anything like their charcoal before, and they sure do some great steaks, fajitas, and chicken with it.

So, gas, electric, charcoal, wood . . . any work if you get the right temperature, the right time, and the right seasonings.


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Pat
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Bird]
      03/05/04 09:43 PM

Bird, Having lived in San Diego (Insane Diego?) and traveled in Baja I have an appreciation for biftek al carbon, etc. I have seen charcoal making operations in Baja. Mesquite makes a good charcoal which flavors the meat. And you are right about "real" charcoal being superior to brickettes. The best brickettes I ever used had wood chips made in them for flavor but still not as good as the real thing.

Another taste issue is how you start the fire. I use a paper based fire starter chimney thingy that works well (really fast) and doesn't require any fluids which can give an off taste. My neighbor to the south is a wood harvester who supplies fire wood comercially and has some BBQ places as customers for his hickory. He sells cut up hickory limbs as big flavor pellets for use in cookers. I like to run the small hickory through my chipper so it soaks up fast and I am more used to how the smaller size works.

Pat

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Bird
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: fivestring]
      03/06/04 06:28 PM

In reply to:

I just bought a new 2004 model Char Broil grill. $260 @ Lowe's.
It's a 3 burner with a fourth burner on the side.




Small coincidence. I really had no intention of buying another grill myself, but after doing a little string trimming, etc. in the yard, my wife, daughter, and I sat down on the patio for a glass of iced tea, and darned if my wife and daughter didn't gang up on me telling me why we needed a barbecue grill.

So, after a trip to Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, and Home Depot, I think I bought the same grill you did, Gary, but at Home Depot for $259 plus tax. Three burners with the fourth burner on the side, ceramic coated grill, and a griddle. Got it all assembled; just have to go exchange the empty new propane tank for a full one.

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Lazy
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Re: It's BBQ season again [re: Bird]
      03/06/04 06:37 PM

Hi
And what time is the BBQ, its gonna take me a few minutes to get there

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Fred
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Lazy]
      03/07/04 12:38 PM

I hear ya Handyman. I've played around with two grills since getting rid of the one that used lava rocks. One was a $400 Coleman which is pricey for me. The one I use now is one of those that can convert over to charcoal that I got at Lowe's or H-D. I think it was around $250. It does a better job than the "good" Coleman that had the cast iron grates and all, but I'd still take that old lava rock grill I used to have for doing a perfect steak that not only tasted great, but looked great. I'm just not sold on that deflector plate thing. I've been meaning to try the charcoal out, maybe now that the weather starting to turn.

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fivestring
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Bird]
      03/08/04 07:42 AM

"but charcoal that looks like big chunks of burnt logs."

90% of all charcoal is from maple.
I didn't know that until I started reading about cooking with fire.

You did get the same grill. HD is where we we bought it. Our HD and Lowe's are side-by-side and I always get them confused.
I've used ours twice and it is so easy to use!

Gary
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Bird
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: fivestring]
      03/08/04 04:37 PM

Haven't used ours yet, Gary, but I just got through running a few little tests with my temperature probe to see if I thought I could get what I want and I think we'll like it. Before the week's over, I intend to try a brisket and think with it on the right side, and only the left burner on low, I think that'll work.

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donh
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Handyman]
      03/28/04 08:55 AM

One thing I have noticed with this yrs model and that is they have gotten away from Lava rocks... but are designed with brass burners and heat deflectors.

Sorry, but I thought that the lava rocks helped with the flavor from previous meat drippings to add some flavor.. you might want to say were seasoned.


Metal deflectors do the same thing as the lava rocks, but they do it better. One grill mfr. has a slogan, "If your grill still uses rocks, it was built in the stone age." The drippings are vaporized on the metal deflectors and give up their flavor just the same as they do on lava rocks or ceramic briquettes. The rocks allow the drippings to fall between the rocks and hit the open flame, which is what can cause the horrendous flare-ups that engulf your food in flames when you're cooking something fatty. The rocks do not form an even layer, and some areas are hotter than others. The rocks tend to absorb fatty drippings, and eventually have to be replaced. Most people put in too many rocks -- if you do use them, they should be in a single layer, carefully placed for size to get as even a layer as possible.

The metal plates are engineered to retain just enough of the drippings to vaporize, while channeling away the remainder to a grease catcher. They are also engineered so they cover the actual open flame, which channels the drippings away from the burner, helps prevent flareups, and protects the burner from clogging. The are of consistent thickness and shape, so the heat is more even over the surface of the grill. Many are engineered to direct heat to areas of the grill which might be cooler, such as over the venturi of the burner.

If you were to add a rack and rocks above the metal plates, you would be defeating the purposes of the metal plates, and would change the amount of heat which can reach the grilling surface.

All gas grills need a "flavor" layer between the burners and the cooking grates; it's what makes the grills so close to charcoal. In fact, in a properly designed grill, in blind taste tests, most people identify the food cooked on the gas grill as coming from charcoal. The vaporized drippings are what provide the flavor, and they don't care whether they are vaporized on charcoal, rocks or metal plates.

The most important thing you can do is cook slowly with the lid closed, so you don't lose the flavor of the vaporized drippings.

...Don

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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: donh]
      03/28/04 10:20 AM

I think I've about got this new grill figured out for barbecuing briskets the way we like them. I did one a little over 13 lbs. yesterday. Others may prefer a different flavor, but here's how I did it with a whole brisket.

Rinse brisket, lightly sprinkle red pepper (cayenne) on both sides, followed by a light sprinkling of garlic salt, then a heavier sprinkling of lemon pepper. Put in a roaster pan with lid (open pan well sealed with aluminum foil will also work) and no more than a quarter inch of water. Put in 200 degree oven 6 to 8 hours (I put it in when I went to bed), remove from oven, and transfer to the grill.

I removed the "burner tents" (metal shields) from over all 3 burners. Then I set an old rectangular cake pan on the "tent frames" over the two right burners with the brisket on the grill above it and about a quarter inch of water in the pan. On the left burner tent frame, I set the cast iron smoker box filled with mesquite chips that had soaked in water overnight. Then I turned on the left burner only on medium, closed the lid, and left it for another 6 to 8 hours (7 hours yesterday).

Right tasty eating with a little KC Masterpiece barbecue sauce added at the table, along with Bush's Baked Beans, cole slaw, and hot buttered rolls.

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egon
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: donh]
      03/28/04 12:15 PM Attachment

"If your grill still uses rocks, it was built in the stone age."

Thats my grill. A large flat rock with smaller rocks to hold up the grate. The base is shown in the attchment. The grate and support rocks come and go.

Egon

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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: egon]
      03/28/04 02:06 PM

Egon, some of the most enjoyable eatin' I've had was cooked on that kind of grill. Did you ever cut round steak into strips about an inch wide, marinate in straight soy sauce, then cook on the grill? Once in a campground (state park) we had no grill, but they had a small concrete slab that you were allowed to build a fire on, and we found a large round grate for a grill that someone had thrown away, filled a bunch of empty beer and soda cans with water and set them in a circle, set the grate on that and I cooked up 10# of round steak like that.

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egon
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Bird]
      03/28/04 04:09 PM

Haven't done round steak that way but have marinated the strips and then hot smoked in a brick smokehouse/barbaque back in Alberta. Made very good jerky. Used to smoke salmon in it too.

Egon

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donh
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Bird]
      03/28/04 10:43 PM

Bird, that sounds right tasty. I never tried a brisket before I got in the BBQ grill business, but I kept reading about Texan's favorite BBQ meat. Now, it's not something I do often (because it takes so much time), but I do enjoy it. One of the things I like best about it, is that in these times of high beef prices, it's still reasonably priced. Of course, the reason it takes so much time to cook properly, and is reasonably priced, is because it's an absolutely terrible cut of meat...one of those things where effort can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

I have a Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker, which is a vertical water smoker, that uses charcoal. Aficionados call it the Black Bullet. It doesn't have enough diameter to do an entire 10# brisket at once, but it can handle a 5# half brisket nicely. You really have to be dedicated to feed it charcoal and wood chunks for 10 to 12 hours, but the brisket is delicious when done.



...Don

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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: donh]
      03/29/04 07:11 AM

In reply to:

I have a Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker, which is a vertical water smoker, that uses charcoal.




I think that's similar to the Cookin' Cajun vertical water smoker I used for several years. It was great for brisket, as well as other meats, and especially for smoking fish. And I had better luck with it (charcoal) than I did with the electric model that was given to us later. The electric got too hot too fast.

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Al_Wa
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: egon]
      03/29/04 01:15 PM

Best looking grill I ever saw.

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egon
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Al_Wa]
      03/29/04 02:20 PM

Burns a mean steak too; Al.

Egon

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Kri
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: donh]
      03/31/04 07:32 PM

I have always used charchoal grills, I learned it from my dad. I know gas is easier becaus it's instant but when you use charchoal you put love and patience into what your doing therfore creating some of the best meals ever, I learned that from my mom. I'm from Texas and couldn't be more proud of it, and since BBQ is part of what makes us famous here's a tip to shorten your cookin time: Marinate the meat over night, then in the morning wrap it in foil. Cook the meat in a glass pan in the oven @ 250-300 (depending on how fast you want it done) for at least 3 hrs. ( the longer the tenderer) then fire up the grill! Take meat out of the oven and baste with a mixture of BBQ sauce and beer and on the grill it goes until all sauce is cooked in. Hope you get to use this recipie and even more so, like it, I taught it to myself.
-Kri

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Pat
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: egon]
      04/01/04 07:46 AM

Egon, Is that a bat house on a pole to the left in the picture? If yes, why so close to your food prep area? You don't BBQ bats do you?

Pat

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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: Pat]
      04/01/04 06:29 PM

Its a Bird Feeder.

Egon

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gsganzer
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Re: It's BBQ season again new [re: egon]
      04/05/04 05:14 PM

" Its a Bird Feeder"

Egon, are you referring to Birds smoker or his wife.

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