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A different idea for a shop
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I've been thinking about building a shop, 30x40x14
I was thinking about forming and pouring a 6" to 12" high wall around the parimeter (to compinsate for drop in grade) and then filling in compacting and then pouring the floor. Then building the walls on 4' center like you would a house using 2x6x14's
The advantage to this will be...
1, I would have to worry about trucking in fill to level the whole area.
2, cost would not be any more than using 6x6 on 8' centers
3, on 4' centers, this will allow me to use 8' sheet of plywood for interior
4, For all practicle senses, I could build the walls by myself... infact do most all of it alone
What do you think ?
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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06/30/05 05:02 AM
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Go for it. 
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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 Where did the 14' come from? Is that a standard stud length or something? Also.......are the roof trusses on 4' spacing as well?
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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Dave... Dave... Dave.... We've chated/responded for a long time and you still forget what I do... 
14' high walls will allow me to have 13' 6" high door opening... I need at least 13' to be able to drive my Western Star truck... Canadian built Semi
I don't know about the roof trusses. The shop across the street is a 40x40 and the trusses is on 10' center. They used 2x4 on edge for strength.
I'm not crazy about that. I might go 4' centers with 1x4's for the roof.
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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07/01/05 06:00 PM
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 Er.....ah... ...er It's all coming clear to me now.. Truck=high clearance=14' walls.  You aren't one of those "pre-selectors" are you? 
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You aren't one of those "pre-selectors" are you?
Aaaaa.... I'm having a blonde moment here, what are you asking ???
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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  Truck mechanics who work on air-shifted transmissions like the Fuller 13-Speeds have always been able to tell who "pre-selects" and who doesn't by how badly worn the shifter forks are. Pre-selectors actuate the air shift before they actually pick up on the throttle so the transmission will shift faster when they finally do pick up their foot. Of course that exerts tremendous pressure on the shifter fork when it is pushing-pushing-pushing on that collar and there is too much gear tooth pressure to allow it to move. When I had the machine shop we had mechanics bring in shifter forks to have them built back up to full size and there was always a lot of attendant cussing about that so-and-so driver who PRE-SELECTS...@##//!!#  I always think about that when I am driving my pickup which has a forest of levers on the floor and I don't put pressure on the shifter forks until they are ready to be moved.
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Aaaaaah....
Nope, I have to pay for the repair bills and I just don't have 4 grand to over haul a tranny every couple years.
You don't take a truck this caliber My Truck Pic and trash it..
Naw, I need a place to work on the ole girl that doesn't involve working on gravel... Ever loose a washer or try to scoot around on a creeper in gravel
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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07/02/05 04:07 PM
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Handy; REALLL nice.  You sure don't want to half%@# that. What do you have in it? You must be very sure of adding that filtered oil in that. Man, I've reservations just putting it in my Stroker!
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Re: A different idea for a shop
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07/03/05 01:14 PM
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Just looking at that rig I suspect that he has a 165 Cummins in there. Naturally aspirated of course.
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Dave; I'm not gonna offer a bet on that. When you stick that much money in a truck, you may as well go for two house payments! I bet it's at least a 365, but Handy ain't talking. Oh well, it is a nice day outside. Wonder if he's making money today?
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When I was just learning to drive trucks in da early-early sixties at 17-18 years of age, we had one diesel with a 165 Cummins in it. We thought that truck was THEE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT in land transportation. We had some real high cube gassers as well, ...GMC 503's and 426's.....and in those days you went up long grades in first-under-under, and the heat in the cab was so bad that you set the hand throttle and then stood outside on the running board and drove the truck by reaching through the LH window. I'm not kidding. They also did a lot of pushing too, when a slower truck was in front and there was no hope of passing on single lane hiway grades. We had a GMC 6-71 with a set of 24' doubles and one time my Dad's hired driver stuck it on a steep grade when he missed a downshift. We took another tractor we had and chained them up together and JUST DID get that load moving again. When both drivers dumped the clutch there was like silence for a second before the black smoke began to pour out. The first time I drove a Kenworth with a Silver 92 in it....8V92 w/ twin turbos feeding the blower....I could not BELIEVE that a truck could have that much power. You barely ever needed to shift that 13 Speed.
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Dave; Oh yeah, the goode olde days. I used to haul a 580B TLB on a 69 IHC Loadstar, a gasser at that. It had a rollerback bed and winch setup. Youd winch the machine up on the bed until you got thr rear wheels on then tilt the bed down. Youd lift the front wheels right off the ground. I hated that truck. Then there was the converted OTR GMC, that had a huge 318 jimmy. It was converted to a tandem dump. With a triaxle lowboy with the 580 on board, and a load of gravel, it made for an interesting ride. I do like the newer IHC 4000's though. A friend of mine hauls heavy equipment for a living, you should see his truck. 9200 IHC Eagle with double standup sleeper, with a C-15 Cat. He drags loads that even make that thing work.
Kenworth, ahhh, my dream machine. W900 with a C-15. Hey, if you dream, dream big huh?
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I had a '68 IH 2050 with the RD 450 in it (gas) and it was really a nice truck. I had a big water well workover rig on it. I also had a '69 2050 with the V8 gas 400-something cube engine....I didn't care for that V8 engine. Also had a 74 IH 1600 under a service truck body, Gas, on air, a nice service truck. I am still sitting on a CDL; you just never know when you might have to hop in and drive......
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Oh, look out guys... LOL
165... 365 
Boys, times have changed BIG time 
Try a 525 N14 Plus Select putting 465 hp to the ground
13spd tranny with 3.42 Rockwell Rears.
Top end is somewhere around 127 mph
You have trucks out there with 550 cats and 600 Cummins
Haven't you noticed that trucks aren't going 35 mph up hill ?
Those guys are not always empty most of the time
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I've also observed that if you are not travelling at least 70 MPH all you see is a great big grill in your back window. And it really doesn't matter what the road - snow - ice - sleet - fog conditions are!
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Yes Egon I know... 
I don't like it either, I won't make excusses for those idiots. All I can say, is for myself, I don't like running up on someone and I have many trucker friends that feel the same way as myself.
The biggest thing I've noticed the past couple years is a person will be in the left lane or center lane talking on the cell phone totally oblivious of the traffic behind them.
A lot of states are adopting laws restricting trucks to the right 2 lanes (unsafe in my opinon), which makes the center lane our left lane... now you have a bozo in the center lane running 5 mph under the speed limit without a care in the world. Many of us try to follow the laws, but when faced with an idiot with a cell phone being a road hazard... well lets say it becomes very fustrating, especially when some have such a tight delivery scheduel. ( everyone wants their product yesterday )
I haul equipment and oversized loads... not only do I have to deal with the general public totally oblivious on how to drive aound me, but I have to deal with the idiot truckers that should know better but don't.
On a good note, Trucking as a whole, we are at our safest... accidents per million miles driven as we ever have been.
Also out of all the accident there are... only 3% are caused by truckers ! This is based on statical fact
Unfortunantly when we are involved in an accident... its usually devistating...
I often ask people... Would you cut over in front of a locamotive ? Of course they say NO .. of course not... I usually ask them why would they cut off or crowd a truck when their chance of survival is just as poor ....
Usually that ends the conversation.
Anyhow... My idea for a shop is on track..?
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Now handyman, YOU said a different idea for a shop! Hum, interesting concept! Wonder if it meets codes, cause I'd like to look at that too, BUT I'd like to consider a 3 car garage with a loft!
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Handy; I agree completely on the fools and cell phones. The ones that are a real treat are the ones that like to go around you on the suicide and cut you off, or hang by the right trailer corners. I, myself, as well as you could share many stories of stupidity, I'm sure.
Anyway, your barn. I see no reason why you couldn't do what your talking, just make sure your trusses are on 4' centers too, and run purlins across the top chord. I don't know if you have codes where you are, but it should be run past the building dept. if you have one. With the nice 14' tall walls, your going to have quite a bit of lateral loading from wind. I assume your going to use OSB sheathing on the walls? If so, you'll gain alot of lateral support from using that.
Hope I didn't confuse you, sometimes I'm good at that! Feel free to PM me or ask more questions, I do try to help.
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Most Truckers are extremely curtious and treat others with respect.
Unfortunetly they have timelines, log books, and delivery dates in conjunction with low hauling rates which all combine for a tough haul for the truckers.
My biggest problem is the lack of driving skill and road knowledge which results in holding the truckers up or not allowing them the speed with which they want to approach a hill. I pull over whenever possible and do speed up when possible.
On one Cross Canada trip pulling a 15K bumper pull trailer with a 96 dodge diesel with a camper on it [ gross 24K ] I spent some evening truck stop time talking to one of the fellows with whom I'd been playing leapfrog all day. He indicated I'd not done too badly and did note I was way overloaded.
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"Uverloaded" is a subjective term. Which axle was overloaded? Did that Dodge have dual wheels in the rear? We have a gooseneck van trailer that puts us at 21,000 gross behind my pickup, and every axle is well within good working limits. Of course a gooseneck has the advantage of loading the tow vehicle farther forward and actually adding front axle weight. I can pull long, steep, grades alongside the 80,000 pounders in 3rd-Under at about 25-28 MPH; that seems to be a good speed to keep out of everyone's way. When I first put this combination together I was so concerned about the rear axle that I installed a temp gauge to monitor the lube oil temperature. I have seen it at 265, but that is not abnormal for a gear box. A lot of the fifth wheel travel trailers and a diesel tow pickup will gross about 24K, and those folks think all is well with the world.
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But Dave, the dealer said I could do it!! Check out some of the SUV's and 1/2 tonners out there. It's downright scary. I try to keep away from anybody dragging a housetrailer.
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3/4 Ton and about 8000 pounds overthe limit. Remember there was a camper on the truck with a bumper hitch trailer. This is a big difference from a gooseneck.
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"I've been thinking about building a shop, 30x40x14....."
Gofurit Handy!! If you are at 4' centers for the inside, make outside at least 3" longer to compensate the stud width. When pouring concrete for my 39x51 barn slab they put crashed rock in fiberglass "sandbags" and stacked um around (18" inside the form to build perimeter edge of footer) then filled inside the bags with lose fill. Cover with 6mil plastic moisture barrier as well.
I do a lot of freeway (I24 & I40) driving in our suburban observing the drivers around me, and I commend you (truck drivers) puttin up with the knotheads you mentioned, especially around music city. I like the bumper sticker I saw the other day"Hang up and drive".
I give trucks the right of way, just a driving courtesy I guess, but my experiance tells me to stay out o the way of bigger then me vehicles. I don't try to defy the laws of physics... only one solid can occupy one space at any given time... Anyhow, hope your shop turns out well. (I'm still tryin to get a metal roof on mine....)
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roho, my garage is 3 car. the Miracle Steel brand building is 36 by 48 feet with 12 ft wall height. I have a 21 by 48 shed on one side. It is all open span steel truss constructon with "I" beam columns. The center door is 14 ft high and will clear the stack of any legal tractor (13' 6" on interstate). This is 3 bays with 3 doors, each bay is about 12 ft wide. There are no obstructons or interior columns. I did subdivide the building into two 36 by 24 areas. One is the 3 door garage and the other is a shop. I finished the shop end as a two story with 10 ft ceilings on ground floor and 12 in the upstairs. Pt dormers on both sides of the upstairs to gain floorspace and made attic closets to capture back the rest of the floor space where ceiling is too low.
Roof is 12:12 pitch. Roof peak in 30 ft above slab. The garage half is fully open cathedral ceiling as I didn't need any more "upstairs" floor space although a retrofit to add it to upstairs shop would be easy or a mezanine floor for the garage would be doable also. I elected to not use automatic garage door for center door as it would be a tad expensive and not used as much as the shorter doors which I did automate. ON the 14 ft tall door I use a chain pull wench style opener and it is so easy and smooth a pre-schooler can do it.
I also extended the center bay 6 ft into the shop area so the divider wall is not straight but has a bite out of it. The ceiling above that "bump out" is just over 14 feet too. This is just in case I need to ever garage something longer than aouit 24 feet. Cab with big sleeper?
There are pix of all this in the house building section (Oklahoma farm house thread)
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