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SteveHCT
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Building a Horse Barn
      08/30/04 11:51 AM

Hi Folks - We're about to meet with a few local builders and come up with some pricing for a new 4 stall horse barn. We're looking to build something similar to this -

http://www.countrycarpenters.com/horsebarn.htm

What I'd appreciate from all you current horse owners is "What would you do different?". Our goal is to build a small barn that will serve both the horses and us well until we move to our larger lot (5 to 10 years out). One of the things I've read about is keeping the hay on the same level as the horses. I had intended to have a hay loft, but I can see the ease in not having to cart bales of hay up and down stairs. It's little tips like that which will make a good barn even better.

Here are a few areas I'm especially interested in hearing your solutions to;

stall sub-flooring surface?
Water in each stall?
Enhancements to ease clean-up?
Ventilation?
Lighting?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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cowboydoc
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      08/30/04 03:20 PM

The first thing I would do is make your stalls 12x12 with floor drains and automatic waterers. I'd install concrete and put in 1" rubber mats. The next most important thing is I would make at least a 24x12 tack room and rest area with a full bathroom especially if you are going to be spending alot of time there. I would also put in hay chutes so you can just drop your hay down from the loft into each individual stall. That way your hay mess stays in the loft and not down in the main part of the barn. Have a 12' alleyway so that you can get any equipment in and out that you need and horses have plenty of room. Also make your wall height in the alleyway at 12' to get anything you need in and out of there easily.

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      08/30/04 03:51 PM

I'd also set up a wash station (middle of aisle with D-rings on each side for cross tying) and a small sink area with hot water and cabinets for medicinal supplies. I saw a small 2.5 gallon hot water heater at Lowes that runs on 110V and will fit under a sink (heat the undersink area for freeze protection. You don't need hot water often, but if you have a horse that needs doctoring, it's nice to have it close.

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: cowboydoc]
      08/30/04 08:42 PM

Thanks guys - I'm taking a lot of notes - I appreciate you sharing your experience here.

Doc - ignorant question - do you put shavings over the rubber mats - or do you just use the mats and hose them down? I planned on keeping a pretty thick bed of shavings in there... Katie's girls seem to like rolling around in the wood shavings. A little roll and fart and they seem to be good for the evening

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      08/30/04 09:11 PM

Hi Steve,

Next time you are down at town hall say hi to Marianne from the folks up in Canterbury. You can tell her things have only got worse up here since she left so she probably made the right decision, but I'm sure she knows that. When we get rid of our Supreme Leader maybe she can come back up here and do here horsey zoning thing up her like she's doing for you guys.

Now for the barn. I would recommend against the hay in the loft. Mold and dust filtering down on your horses, not a good thing, especially if they are cooped up for days on end in the winter. And if you have Farm Family as an insurer they will insist that you store hay in a separate building from your livestock.

Ventilation – yes, as much as you can stand in the winter. Make sure your roof is insulated to help keep it cool in the summer and prevent condensation (a must for a metal roof). A shuttered fan on a thermostat in the gable will also help on those +90 days in the summer. We also like to run ours in the evenings to change out the hot air in the summer.

I agree with Richard on the stall size and the tack room size. But the bathroom could wait on a 4 stall barn unless you’re going to live out there. Hot water is nice though. We put all our plumbing in our heated tack room and plumbed the wash stall through a common wall. That has worked out well, no frozen pipes yet.

Flooring, I would go with a 1” rubber mat on top of 6” stone dust, on top of at least a foot of gravel. Remove the top soil and put down the gravel as part of your site prep. Add the stone dust and tamp after the stalls are done.

Richard, I thought you used preach keeping your horses on fines. I’m surprised to hear you switched. Can I ask why?

That’s just how I would do it though. To each his own. We built our pole barn about 4 years ago and I’m very proud of it (it being the first thing I ever built and all). There are some things I would do differently if I had to do it again, but aren’t there always. If you’d like to come up and see our barn I’d be happy to invite you guys up. Send me a PM if you’re interested.

-Steve


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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      08/31/04 08:21 AM

Oh yes we put 4-6" of shavings over the mats. Also I saw on another post where you were going to do crushed gravel. Spend the money and do concrete. You will never be sorry. If not you will constantly be cussing the crush. It makes everything in the barn go 100% better.

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveBenson]
      08/31/04 08:26 AM

There was a recent study done that compared the shock absorption of horses on concrete and on fines. If you used a 1" mat with 4-6" of shavings there was no difference in shock value. The thinking before was that the concrete was too hard on the horses legs standing on it all day. This study shows otherwise. Even done exactly right you still have to go back at times and redo your stalls. The mats come up and get shaving under them, the fines may settle in one area, it's harder to get good drain and it's impossible to clean the ammonia out of underneath the stalls. Another relative study showed that ammonia in stalls was the #1 cause of health problems in stalled horses. They recommended cleaning under the mats at least once/month. Based on this new research it certainly makes more sense to have concrete floors. I try to always be learning new and better ways.

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SteveHCT
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: cowboydoc]
      08/31/04 09:06 AM

Excellent points... I can see your point on ammonia build up. I'll have to see how this thing costs out. Right now building costs up here are astronomical. Thats why we decided to build the barn by our current house, and look at moving to our larger lot in 5 or 10 years. The land is paid for, and not going anywhere. Besides, I think building a smaller barn now will give me a good education, and I should be ready for something bigger when we build in East Haddam.

Thanks Doc.

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/07/04 09:38 AM

Steve,

Put shavings and hay on the same level as stalls...less work in the long run. Also if you are close to house...run a switch/electrical from house to turn lights on and off..works great for those early morning winter feedings - lights on before you reach the barn. We did this both for interior of barn and exterior. Also intercom between house and barn.

Also if you are pouring concrete slab... pure a small slab outside of barn for wash area - 12'x12' pad with external water hook-ups/hot and cold - under roof is possible.

Secure/locked area for feed etc.

Hope this helps.

Lloyd

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SteveHCT
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: Atlantic]
      09/10/04 07:46 AM

Thanks for the tips Lloyd - It's all helpful. I especially like the idea of the switch at the house. Re: shavings and hay - I'd like to put them in another building, but for now I'll likely have them in an upper level, and keep a working stock down on the 1st floor. When we get the $$ I'll probably get another building just for storage.

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/10/04 09:36 AM

Steve,

If you want to put the switch in the house don't bother running wire. They have remote switches that will do the job for you. Running that much wire can get pricey.

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: cowboydoc]
      09/10/04 10:57 AM

Thanks Doc - Sounds like a remote control you're talking about. My barn will be about 75' from the house, so it won't be a real long run for what I'm doing. My plan was to put timers in the barn and have indoor and outdoor lights come on in the morning.

I just received info on Nelson waterers. Looks slick, but is it too slick? A larger barn owner I know here believes that buckets are more cost effective because it allows her to monitor water intake. I guess you have to add something optional to get that from the Nelson items. I'm also going to look into insulated waterers.

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/16/04 08:04 PM

Looks like this is the barn we're putting up. I'll know for sure in about another week - but I'm convinced this guy builds a good product, and is reasonable with the price. Check it out and let me know what you think. I hope to have it up and to get our girls over here by December.

I'm still thinking of adding a covered area off the side - about 10' out and down the length of the side - it would make a nice area to groom the horses. Overall the barn is only 24' x 34', but it will give us 3 12' x 12' stalls and a tack room. The roof pitch is high enough to get a good amount of hay up there.

http://www.cnbarns.com/chester.htm



Steve Mann
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/16/04 10:50 PM

I heard there was an outfit up in Windsor Locks (by the airport) putting up pole barns (like Morton, but less expensive I would think). You might want to try them for a quote if this place is to expensive. I can ask my brother were the place is if you're interested. I've been meaning to check them out (I guess they have a demo building on site), but I haven't had the chance. I don't know if they do stalls or not, but those aren't too bad to do yourself (especially if you save a lot of money in the end).

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveBenson]
      09/17/04 07:07 AM

Sure, I would appreciate the information.

I did find a contractor out of Woodstock that does horse barns - they're a local affiliate of Wick Buildings called "Conceptual Construction". My problem around here is that so many folks are too busy with work, and the pricing reflects that. The price I got on the barn listed above is $26,000 - that includes full stalls, the site work & foundation, and all roofing. It's outfitted with a decent amount of windows, bars for the stalls and stall windows, and several other smaller items that add up when you're planning a barn. The worst price I got around here was from an outfit in Vernon CT that wanted $30,000 for roughly the same size barn, but nothing inside - no stalls - notta. I couldn't believe it, then as we talked he dropped in that the price didn't include site work or the foundation... add another $3000 to $7000 he said. I was dumbstruck by his approach. I think it's a symptom of having too much work.

Thanks,

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/17/04 12:48 PM

If you're handy at all that size of a barn would take about three days to put up if you did it like a pole barn. Site work is just getting a level pad. I would seriously look into doing it yourself. Materials here for that barn would be around $7000 for everything. With the extra money you could buy one of the Hidalgo horses.

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: cowboydoc]
      09/17/04 09:17 PM

Funny you mention Hidalgo - we just watched that with my daughter tonight. My Wife and I thought it would be a good kids movie (10 yrs) - I must be desensitized to violence... We won't be watching anything of that ilk with her again anytime soon. She is so dramatic I'm sure she's going to grow up to be a soap opera star .

Handy - I'm fairly Handy, and I think I could do a lot of it myself. It's time Doc... I am starting a new job soon and I just don't have time for everything. I plan to stick to the clearing, and soon adding the fencing for myself. I drive an hour each way to work and back - man the days are getting short... I am finding it hard to even get the lawn cut after work.

I know you're right though - My Wife and I have considered doing it ourselves. If we waited until next spring I may end up doing it, but if I want it up this fall then I'll be paying someone to do it. I haven't mentioned this before, but the barn at my inlaws is a dump... I have to get the girls out of there as soon as possible. I won't go into great detail, It's just no way for an animal of mine to live. I've taken over most of their care, and we all go over on the weekend to give them all a good grooming. They look so much healthier since we've assumed their care.

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/24/04 06:23 PM

Hi Steve,
I am a bit late here but based on my experience here are some of my thoughts. Mind you I think you have had very good advice from the others….
Barn: I strongly recommend the metal laminated walls that you can get from MD, Barnmaster, etc. These holds up very well and are easy to disinfect as well as being almost indestructible. You can buy these separately and install them in your structure if that is what you prefer. If looks are not a problem, then I like their barns and I think you can get a nice 4 stall with over hang installed for $25k. Feed in the loft can be an easy solution if the barn is set up for it and if you can get a fair amount in at once. If you do this, have them cut the opening so you can get a squeeze in. However, I agree with Steve….due to dust, mold and fire concerns we try to keep no more than 1-2 bales in the barn at one time so we store most of it in another building along with shavings etc. I have never found a way to store feed without attracting rodents and the thought of their dropping filtering down into the stalls or aisle bothers me (I HATE them!). Think about stall doors that slide open rather than those that swing. If a horse gets fractious, it’s nice to have it secured on 4 corners rather than the 1 or maybe 2 bolts you have on a swinging door. It also takes up less aisle way space when opened. If you can, set it up so the horses can see each other through the front of the stalls as well as the side. Being herd animals it helps reduce their stress if they can see each other. If you can get bars on the walls that run vertically take that option. Separate feed doors into the stall are a nice option, along with more blanket racks than you think you will need. If you think your horses are going to be in stalls very much, as ours are, you might think about a 12x16 or 12x24. For us, when it’s raining it would be a nice thing to have. I agree with Richard that a nice large, rodent proof tack room is really nice. If you have had horses long, I don’t need to tell you that its easy to lose a ton of money to rats……I HATE them! If you have a lot of expensive tack you might want the ability to lock it as well.

Waterers: If you go with automatic waterers, Nelson is the best but I feel pretty strongly that you are better off with buckets so you can monitor their intake. Perhaps there is some sort of meter you can get with the others but I am not sure. In case a horse throws themselves down, a bucket will move and not hurt a horse. If you choose buckets make sure you can get to a hose without having to go outside in the rain.

Flooring: For me, there are too many conflicting studies on concrete or no concrete. We went without and have had no problems for years including ammonia. At a recent UC Davis(one of the best equine vet schools in the nation) visit I was speaking with one of the vets and his opinion was it is 6 of one half dozen of the other. He felt that with mats over gravel/sand there is a certain amount of decomposition that takes place and eliminates some of the problems. I agree with Richard that you should bed them pretty deep and that good dried shavings are the best.

Ventilation: I don’t think you can get enough of it as long as there is a wind break and they are out of the rain. Just add more blankets/hoods. I am not sure if you use fans in the summer but if you do, you might consider having the plugs set up on a timer so the fans go on automatically. If you are going with a more traditional barn then with a loft then make sure you get a lot of roof vents. This is one of the reasons I like the MD/Barnmaster barns. You can get them with large openings to allow the air to flow.

Lighting: We have fluorescent lighting in the aisle for general light and, because we have performance horses with a show season that runs from March through Nov, we also have a stall light with at least a 200watt bulb. This helps keep their coats short. If you do run lights consider putting them on a timer as well so you get the min amount of bright light.

Fly control: If flies or mosquitoes are a problem then I strongly recommend an automated fly system like Shoofly. Just make sure you have a place to store the system and set it up so there is good coverage in the stalls and aisle. If you choose to do this, take into account the impact of any fans you may run. You might put two nozzles in each stall.

Aisle: We run DG because we did not put concrete in the stalls and wanted good footing when they are in the cross ties. Personally I am not a fan of concrete but if you do put it down consider putting matts on the floor or those rubber pavers.

Wash Rack: gsganzer has describes one way to do it and I know a lot of people like it. I just prefer it to be outside of the barn if you have the roof extended. If you show, consider one of those portable propane ones for both the barn and showing. Having it outside gives us a chance to have a horse in the wash rack and one in the cross ties.

Fiberglass roof panels: They don’t last as long but I sure like the way they let natural light in. Not a big deal but I like it. Also, it amazes me how many people forget to have rain gutters put on. It helps keep water from cascading on to the horses as well as you and keeps erosion down. We don’t have any snow to speak of so your needs may be different. If you choose a metal roof try to get it insulated to keep it a bit cooler in the summer, a bit warmer in the winter and mostly keep the condensation down in the winter.

Turn outs: if you can give each horse a turn out that would be ideal. This gives them a chance to get out and watch things. If you choose to do this you might think about having split doors so the horse can hang its head out even if its not allowed outside. This is where its important to know how the wind blows in your area and have rain gutters.

Orientation: Generally you have a house face south so you might consider how to orient your barn to take advantage of the sun and local weather patterns.

Washing machine: One thing we did not do was set up a washing machine. When we put in a new barn I am going to have one. Great for washing blankets, sheets, wraps etc without using the home machine and trying to sneak into the Laundromat.

Halter hooks: perhaps I am paranoid but we always try to keep a halter and lead rope right by each door that we know will fit the horse. If there is a need to get the horses out quick, then I don’t want to search around trying to find something.

Feed storage: if you are going to feed anything other than bale feed then plan on how you are going to store it. We like cubes and have large plastic drums to keep the rodents out. I HATE rats!

Saddle pad storage: not sure if you ride a lot or bring in other horses but if you get bad cases of fungus running around, its important to store the pads in a way that they can dry. Sunlight is the best thing for getting rid of crud. You might buy or make a good rack.

Bridles: build something that will allow you to put one bridle on a holder that is round at the top. This allows the bridles and reins to hang naturally and not get a kink in them as they would if you just had a nail or peg.

White board: You can use this or one of those erasable calendars. Its good to have one so you know when the next shoeing appt is, what wormer you gave last time so you can rotate them and leave notes as to who has been worked, needs to be worked or needs to be laid up. My wife likes it because its one more way she can tell me what to do…..:^)

Those are some of my thoughts based on what works for us. The others have also given good advice based on what works for them in their area. Best of luck and post pictures of what you build and good for you for being so proactive in your horses well being.

Mark


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SteveHCT
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: mfaley]
      09/25/04 09:46 PM

Wow - What a wealth of practical answers to my questions. I'll need to re-read and post a few follow-up questions if you don't mind.

I'm not in the rush I was when I started this thread - unfortunately my barn will encroach on wetland buffer by about 5 lousy feet. So that means I have another couple of months waiting until I can get this started.

Thanks for all the great information. And I hate rats too!

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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mfaley
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      09/27/04 12:55 PM

No problem. That's what CBN and TBN are all about....people helping each other out. Even when our opinions differ

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      10/10/04 04:59 AM

i am near a wetland area too

i want to build a 4 stall barn...any tips ?

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SteveHCT
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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: kconner]
      10/12/04 07:55 PM

One tip - If it's like my town... buy another lot . We are in the middle of small town hell right now. I'm playing by the rules, speaking to whom we are told to, and yet we're almost no farther along than we were a couple months ago. In case you can't tell, I'm a bit disgusted with this process.

The one thing that's gone well is the builder. He's given me some great suggestions to get this going again. He suggested moving the septic reserve on the site plan, and that has opened up enough room to put the barn where we want it.

I hope yours goes better - I'm convinced this is mostly town driven... I'll bet other towns are much better to deal with - Salem CT stinks as a town. Too few people with too much "power".

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      10/12/04 09:08 PM

come on up here to Union where there is about 680 population. Getting anything here isn't a cake walk either, in fact can get downright aggravating

This morning I woke up with nothing to do.
It is now afternoon and I have over half of it done

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: SteveHCT]
      10/14/04 03:58 PM

Steve,
I am sorry to hear about the challenges in getting your barn built.

We were recently looking at 55 acres but after being given the run around regarding "Vernal pools" we gave up. We wanted to move the grazing from cattle to horses and the county used that as an excuse to change the zoning to meet environmental demands. Not sure how 10 horses are going to be harder on the land than the 20 cow/calf pairs.

Best of luck.
Mark

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Re: Building a Horse Barn new [re: mfaley]
      10/19/04 08:26 PM

Vernal Ponds... yeahhhhh right. I've heard the same thing regarding our large lot. And the bit about re-zoning, I swear these folks pull this stuff out of their... hat. I think they just like to let you know they run your life and your land... whether you like it or not.

My update goes like this - I've gotten the site plan revised, and it looks like we'll be able to proceed soon with the next step. I've got a builder, but he's asked me to buy plans for the barn I want built. I'm now learning quickly that there are very few prvoviders of plans on the internet. I thought it would be easy to find barn plans - so far there just isn't much to choose from.

Larry - Now that is really a small town. 680 folks, and they actually have a planning and zoning group???

Steve Mann
Salem, CT

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