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mysticokra
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Anyone Using Hardy Plank
      07/14/04 08:50 PM

The information I saw on Hardy plank made me wonder whether it could be a good siding for the barn. Tough, no painting, aesthetically pleasing.

Has anyone used it in an animal setting?

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Pat
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/14/04 09:28 PM

I used a lot of it but the only animals near it so far are swallows. It would be a bit prone to breakage from contact by a larger animal (bigger than cats and dogs.) I wouldn't want to use it with cattle, horses, pigs, etc.

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/15/04 09:57 PM

My brother in law used it for his house. Five years later he painted because it had faded unevenly. He didn't really like installing it because it is heavy, brittle and needs a wall which is close to perfectly flat.

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mysticokra
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: AndyF]
      07/16/04 10:06 AM

So, does that mean you can't install it over existing clapboard siding? Would strips provide an adequate installation plane?

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: AndyF]
      07/16/04 11:20 AM

One of our daughters has a double wide mobile home with it for siding. It was originally grey, new in 1997, but getting pretty badly faded a year ago this month (6 years), and she had it repainted a cream color with a single coat of Behr exterior latex paint from Home Depot. I was a little skeptical that one coat of a new color would cover adequately, but now a year later, it still looks new.

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/16/04 11:42 AM

For what it's worth: we sprayed on about 6 coats of Behr brand exterior latex (gloss) on our barn. (See previous post of about a year ago.) It took that many coats because although pre-primed, it really soaked up the paint. I recently drilled a hole through the siding, and a very nice plastic disk of paint was one of the by-products. (I say this to extol the virtue of the paint.) We do not use our barn for animal shelter, so can not tell you how it might hold up in that situation, but none of the wildlife have found it to be appealing. Something did chew on the door weather stripping, though.

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mysticokra
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: JazzDad]
      07/16/04 05:46 PM

So what does that say about the plank. Does paint have a hard time adhering to it?

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em14
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/16/04 09:58 PM

I have it on my house (6 years) and shop (8 months) and it appears to be holding very well ... I also power wash once or twice a year. I think if you follow their guidence and advice with the sealer and a good paint it will work fine. At lease it has here.
Leo

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donh
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/17/04 11:34 PM Attachment


Hmm. I'm seeing some misinformation in some of the posts. I have a lot of experience with HardiPlank and HardiPanel (4'x8' sheets). We used to use the HardiPanel as an underlayment for the custom outdoor kitchen cabinets we built professionally. As for the HardiPlank, I've installed it on 3 buildings so far, and plan to use it on both my new home and barn.

First of all, the finish on the HardiPlank is only a primer. If it wasn't painted, it's no surprise to me that it faded. Second, we have never had any problems with paint coverage or adherence. Paint loves the stuff and vice versa. The only thing I can think of to explain why one of the folks above had to use 6 coats of paint is possibly because they let it sit outside for a while before painting it. It really needs to be painted quickly.

It is heavy, and is difficult to cut. A regular saw blade will cut it, but will dull quickly. A diamond blade is a definite advantage, but in many cases, the blade will outlast the saw, because the cement dust gets at the saw bearings. The best tool is a Snapper cement board shear -- looks like a powerful hand-held electric drill, but with shear jaws instead of a chuck. The only problem is they are expensive -- about $450 list.

The surface on which you install it should be flat. It would be next to impossible to install it over existing clapboard siding. The whole idea of lap siding is to nail the top of the board and overlay the nails with the next layer -- there is no way you can do that over existing lap siding, regardless of whether the new siding is HardiPlank or wood. However, the surface need not be solid -- the James Hardie company says it can be installed over vertical studs. They do insist there be Tyvek or similar house wrap under it. If you do install it on studs or furring strips, however, then the brittleness mentioned above comes into play. If you ran into it with a tractor loader or dimilar between the studs, you could break it. I don't have any experience with animals, but I wouldn't use it for a horse stall, for example, because I can imagine a horse could kick it out rather easily. Not only is it somewhat brittle, but it's only 5/16" thick.

When we used it as an underlayment on our outdoor kitchen cabinets, we screwed it to welded aluminum cabinet frames, then veneered it with whatever "look" the client wanted. We painted it, stuccoed it, used ceramic tile, slate, granite, field stone, etc. as a veneer. There were no problems mortaring anything to it.

In the attachment to this post, one of my guys is using the Snapper shear to trim the underlayment for a countertop. In the next couple of posts, I'll show an assembly collage and a completed outdoor kitchen.


...Don

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donh
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: donh]
      07/17/04 11:37 PM Attachment

This attachment shows a collage of assembly pictures -- the base installed; the aluminum cabinet installed with a HardiPanel on the base; the HardiPanel skin installed, and the cabinet with all of the cutouts for the grill, undercounter refrigerator and two storage access doors.


...Don

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donh
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: donh]
      07/17/04 11:43 PM Attachment

This final attachment shows a completed outdoor kitchen. While not strictly related to the HardiPlank lap siding, I think these give some idea of how great the stuff is. Properly applied and painted, it's warrantied for 50 years.


...Don

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/18/04 08:15 AM

Sorry, mysticokra, I did not make myself clear. I think my Hardie project took 6 coats of paint because we had it thinned a lot for the spray rig we used. (It was one of those homeowner-level units, and has since been replaced by a semi-pro unit.) No, the paint had no problem sticking, in fact (if anything) it soaked in and became a part of the panel. Don is absolutely correct about the fact of how well it adheres.
All said, I liked the Hardie products so much, our house being built is an all Hardie exterior. (See: "Are we going to survive this?", in the Home Building topic area.)
Of course, in the future someone is going to come out with evidence that the cement-fibre siding products cause cancer.

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mysticokra
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: donh]
      07/18/04 11:08 AM

donh,

Thanks for taking the time for such an extensive explanation.

Do you think a 15/32 underlayment of plywood screwed to the clapboard siding would be flat enough to attach the Hardiplank? Could I put the Tyvek on top of that before attaching the plank or would it be better under the plywood?



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em14
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/19/04 08:09 AM

I would ask that question of Hardie. I had a simular problem with my shop due to the hex heads on the screws used to attach the "green" board to the studs. Hardie replied very quickly and reccomended that I cross nail to pull the plank in where it had these spaces between the planks. It worked ... but I would still ask them ... they have several plants and offices here in the USA.
USA / CANADA
26300 La Alameda, Suite 250
Mission Viejo, California 92691
Tel: 1-888-JHARDIE
Email: info@JamesHardie.com

I seem to remember hearing they were the most used siding in the US.
Leo

Edited by em14 (07/19/04 08:28 AM)

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timb
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: em14]
      07/21/04 11:40 AM

Good info - I've been considering Hardipanel to re-skin my shed/shop (no animials) when I get 'rountuit. Among all it's other implied qualities, around here, given what's happened to building material costs in the last year or so - it now seems to be one of if not just about the least expensive siding solution there is.

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rlk
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: donh]
      07/25/04 09:01 PM

Don, rather than buy those expensive shears you mentioned, I saw some in Home Depot that were made by Porter Cable for $199. I bought them and have cut a bunch of Hardie Plank with them.

I talked to one of the managers at Home Depot that works in the contractor section. At the time he had never had a set returned to him, so I took a chance on them. One of the best decisions I ever made. Using the shears is so much better than trying to cut with a circular saw and a blade.

I used some 2 x 12 scraps to make a jig that would ensure square end cuts. This jig helped a lot because at first it was difficult for me to follow the line on an end cut.

I'm sure your shears are better for a contractor but for those of us who are going to side a barn or some small projects, I recommend the much less expensive Porter Cable shears.

Changing the subject for a minute, we had a rep from James Hardie talk to our local home inspector association. He stated Hardie Plank must be painted within 6 months of installation to be warranted. He also recommended not even trying to caulk the joints where the board ends meet in the field. He said to caulk where the ends meet the corner trim but to forget about caulking the joints in the field.

He also said if you buy any that has not been primed, to be sure and prime all 6 sides (he also said they were going to stop selling material that had not been primed).

Bob

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: mysticokra]
      07/26/04 01:02 PM

Hey Mysticokra, my daughter and soninlaw bought a farm house with hardiplank and their home owners insurance covers it the same as steel siding.


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timb
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: rlk]
      07/29/04 11:26 AM

Bob - was the rep suggesting that it's better not to caulk the ends or that it just wasn't particularly necessary?

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mysticokra
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: roypat2126]
      07/30/04 07:49 PM

A steel siding rating my help my worst case fire rating.
Thanks for the info.

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donh
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: rlk]
      08/03/04 08:39 PM

Don, rather than buy those expensive shears you mentioned, I saw some in Home Depot that were made by Porter Cable for $199.

Yes, I have seen the Porter Cable shears on EBay, and wish I had seen them first. However, none of my local stores carried them at the time. Now, of course, I don't need any more, so I haven't tried them. Nice to see a good report. I like my other Porter Cable tools.


...Don

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donh
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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: roypat2126]
      08/03/04 08:44 PM

Hey Mysticokra, my daughter and soninlaw bought a farm house with hardiplank and their home owners insurance covers it the same as steel siding.

I just went back and re-read what I had written previously, and I can't believe I forgot to mention the single most important reason we used it on our outdoor kitchen cabinets -- It won't burn! Before I started using it, I held a cutting torch up to it -- it scorched, but did not burn. The cabinets we built, with the aluminum frames and HardiPanel underlayment, will not burn, are resistant to rot and do not attract noxious insects -- all very important in tropical Florida.

...Don

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Re: Anyone Using Hardy Plank new [re: timb]
      08/22/04 08:53 PM

Tim, he said it was not necessary.

Bob

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