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Budgeted Barn costs
07/23/03 12:26 PM
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I am looking to have constructed a 36 foot by 60 foot single story stall barn. All I want is 10 stalls and electric service. No water, storage, etc. I have qoutes from metal builders, supposed Amish builders (wood), local contractors....with and without stalls.
I am shocked  by the prices. Here is a summary;
Metal insulated pole barn NO stalls- $25k on level site
Amish built wood barn with stalls - $49k ($23/foot)
Local contractor who proposes pole barn with vinyl  siding to match the house - $55k (wife will think its pretty)
I priced materials by the stick for a quality wood shell and came up with 17k. If I use TSC modular stalls (10) it will cost me around 23k-25k total.
What gives. It seems the local contractor priced out matierals and the price was that times 3!
What should I expect to pay in the upstate NY/PA area to have this built?
Thanks much.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/23/03 03:14 PM
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Can't comment on your prices in particular, but if it was me, and I had the time, I'd do it myself for just the cost of materials.
ALL builders right now have more work than they need and are charging premium prices...and most don't care if they get the job or not so there is not much negotiating room.
It was that way about 3 years ago when I decided to do everything myself, and its only got worse. My brother-in-law is a builder and he reports that even the subs that he has used for a decade or more are gouging him on every quote... 2x or 3x what similar jobs costs not that long ago.
Don't worry though...it can't last...waiting for a slowdown, if its an option, is another choice you may have.
Good luck.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/23/03 03:16 PM
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A 36x60 would be easy to build. Then just get the modular stalls and put in yourself. You can do something like this for probably around $11k for materials and that's including the modular stalls.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/23/03 04:39 PM
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I agree, a pole barn of this size would be easy to build and I would estimate the same for materials (without concrete aisle). I did a similar center aisle barn a few years ago. 34 x 48 x 10. metal siding/roof, 5 12x12 stalls, 10' center aisle, wash stall w/ hot water, tack room, feed room, and short term ground level hay/shavings storage, windows, and double sliders at both ends. Here are my costs, I lined my entire barn with 2x6 T&G SYP and made the stalls out of this too, so that added some. Plus I'm in Connecticut, so that added some. I contracted out the plumbing, eletrical, concrete, and site work, so that added some. The rest I did.
10k Shell materials (bought from Carter Lumber in Lancaster, PA)
1.5k - site work
1.8k - cement work
3.5k - SYP liner
1.5k - Stall hardware
6k - Electrical
1.2k - Plumbing
25.5k Total
The 3 x materials is a typical formula if they are not looking for work.
If you are near PA I would look in the Lancaster Farming. There is typically a dozen crews advertized there and the prices are very competative. At their prices it doesn't pay to put it up yourself. From the prices I've seen advertized I bet you could get a 36x60x10 erected shell for about 14k. Why doit youself if the materials will cost you 10k. I wish I could get those guys to come up here. Maybe they would for an indoor riding arena that's on our wish list 
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Are there other regional or multi-state pole barn builders that service the area you live in?
I'm way down here in Texas - we used BCI Barns for our 40x50 building. Total cost was $11,600. I did all the slab steel/prep work myself and hired out the pour/finish, cost was $4100. Along with the initial dirt pad we built up, plus interior work, etc, we've got about $17k into the building. I agree that this can be built on your own, but in our case there were too many other things going on and time was in short supply.
Anyway, it does seem that the prices you are being quoted are very high.
Nick
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/24/03 12:32 PM
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I just added a lean to to the side of my indooor arena. 8 feet wide by 50 feet in length. metal roof, board and batten rough cut siding, all labor by me, total cost will come in around $1300 or $3 a sq foot but that's only building two sides. The other two are existing. I'm also adding on four stalls on the other side. Got a price for putting up the frame, I'll be doing the metal roof and all the stalls. When all is said and done it will be around $5000 total cost not including my time. That comes out to about $8.50 a foot and again one wall is common. I don't see how you could do something like you're talking for $11,000, unless you do everything yourself, then it would be possible. Usually double the material cost is a fair quote, more than that you're getting gouged. When we were pricing indoor arenas (60 x 120) the best we could get down to was around $7 sq foot. The smaller you go the more per sq foot you're going to pay.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/24/03 12:35 PM
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What type of modular stalls are you guys talking about? The stall bars and things I've seen are still going to be a minimum of $500-750 per stall for the door hardware and bars and you still have to get the wood. That would add $5000 minimum for 10 stalls............
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/24/03 02:34 PM
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I wasn't sure about the pricing on the modular stalls either. Between the SYP, grills for the stall fron and window, National sliding door hardware, and mats (which I didn't include above), I spent about 900 per stall  But I think the 10k for materials for a pole barn shell that size is about right.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/25/03 11:38 AM
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I just did ten stalls in my new barn for a little over $4k. These were complete stalls. All I did was put in the wood along the bottom 4'. The rest was a complete iron structure and you used connectors on the top and bottom to put them together. I paid $260 for 2" oak at the local sawmill. This is the odd sizes that they have which worked fine for me. A 36x60' barn at Menards right now comes in at $6989.
BTW Cleary has an advertised price of $11,850 for a 50 x 65 with two sliding doors, four windows, and a service door completely erected on your level site.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/25/03 12:05 PM
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Richard,
If you have a phone # or website for the pre fab stalls I'd appreciate it, sounds like a pretty fair price if I can get it shipped to NY! Sounds like just what I'm in the market for.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/25/03 01:11 PM
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Not sure about shipping Gerard. They are at Farm & Fleet here.
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Re: Budgeted Barn costs
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07/26/03 06:00 AM
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Tractor Supply (TSC) has the same sort of stalls for about that price. I checked them out and they look good! 
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Another "steep" qoute
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07/26/03 06:13 AM
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Last night I received another qoute from a contractor I met a couple weeks ago. He spec'd the 32x60 pole barn with 10 stalls and vinyl siding at 37k in materials. Then he wants another 25k to build it.
I am tempted to tackle this myself, but time is a concern. I MUST have this building up by late fall (3-4 months) and I could only work on this with the help of my wife and tractor on weekends. After looking at plans on-line it seems simple enough. I guessed 350-400 hours (  ) which at 20 labor hours per weekend (wife and myself after chores and kids) would take 5 months  .
Can anyone estimate the number of man hours to construct the shell of a 32x60 pole barn sided with painted t111 or vinyl?
Right now the sinking feeling in my stomach feels like my tractor did when I tried to dig my own pond 
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Re: Another "steep" qoute
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07/26/03 07:33 AM
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One option you might want to consider is to contract out the site work, framing, roofing and installation of the distribution panel. You would then do the siding, interior finish, interior wiring and plumbing.
Assuming the site is relatively flat the site work won't even take a day and with a decent crew, the frame and trusses can be put up in 1 or 2 days. Just the framing, if you've never done it before will eat up a lot of weekends if its just you, your wife and a friend or two.
Unfortunately, its a little late to be out looking for a contractor for a summer project. One thing you may want to do if you take this approach is to work with a local lumberyard that builds pole barns. If you buy all your material from them, they may get one of their contractors to do your work as fill-in quicker than you could find someone yourself.
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07/26/03 07:55 AM
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I think your contractor is looking to retire on your dime. His figure comes out to $32/sq foot which is crazy for a pole barn with some stalls. The shell should be around 10-12/foot max, thats around $19K, add 10 stalls at 1K each and you're up to 29K. Even Morton should be able to do what you/re looking at for under $15/ft and they build VERY nice bldgs.
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07/26/03 08:01 AM
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Have you considered rough cut board and batten for siding? It actually costs less than T11, holds up a lot better, and you get one inch thick siding vs 1/2 inch or 5/8 plywood. I'd also be hesitant about vinyl if the horses are going to be anywhere near it. Wood's pretty easy to replace when they chew it, vinyl not so easy. I would really look at Morton. They're a huge company so should be able to get you in and you'll have an all metal very nice structure. We priced 60 x 120 indoor arena's with them and turnkey was less than $10/sq foot. Don't know where you contractors are coming up with those prices but I didn't see your location either. Costs are a lot higher sometimes near the big cities
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07/26/03 09:30 PM
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If you build it yourself rent a Rough Terrain scissor lift. You can use it to put up the trusses and do a lot of the roof work. It'll knock a lot of time off your project.
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07/26/03 09:37 PM
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You say you live in NY/PA area. I just went downstairs and grabbed the latest issue of Lancaster Farming. There are at least a dozen Pole Barn builders advertized in section D. Pioneer Pole Barns has a 40x60x12 pole advertized for 16.5k erected. There are many silmilar ads. I'd pick up a copy
http://www.pioneerpolebuildings.com
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07/26/03 11:38 PM
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In 2000 I had a steel pole barn put up 40 X 8, 8 ft high with an adjacent 24 X 48, 16 foot high. It has 3 seven foot garage doors, insulated, one 14 X 14 foot door, also insulated. With cement and one walk in door, cost came to 10.66 per square foot. Since then I have completly insulated and finished the 8 foot section, including a one bedroom apartment with bath, and insulated and finished the 16 foot section up eight feet. Some small items left to finish, my complete cost without site work, including plumbing and electrical will come out to about $16 per square foot. This figure also includes laminate flooring in the bedroom and ceramic tile throughout the living area, it also includes the appliances. My son and myself did all of the work with some help from my brother. This price does not include the septic system which will also be used for the house when that is built.
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Thanks allot. I will contact Pioneer right away. Maybe now I can put the Pepcid AC back into the medicine cabinet 
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Re: Another "steep" qoute
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Hold on now. If you're talking about siding the sides and roof that's a whole other story!!!! What most of us are talking about is a pole barn with metal sheeting. If you are going to build this like a house then heck yes you are going to be up at the $32/sq. foot range. A pole barn is about 1/4 of the materials and 1/4 the labor of something like you're talking about.
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07/29/03 11:01 AM
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When I asked for qoutes I asked the contractors to provide two or three ideas...most came back with one, usually very pricey option.
Metal, T111, rough cut are all fine by me. I just need a simple stall barn without electric or water. For what its worth 1 contractor said the additional price to add vinyl siding was 5k. Not much on a total cost of 50k plus.
Last night I got a another qoute of 34k for a 36x60 wood barn with 10 stalls, dutch doors, windows, sliding door. As I figure it, 2k for site work, 5k for doors, 10k for stalls, 17k for the barn.
At least I am getting in the ballpark of reasonable.
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07/29/03 11:23 AM
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>10k for stalls
This is not unreasonable for nice stalls, but they should be nice (especially the hardware and grills (welded & powder coated)) for this price. No cheapo cannon ball sliders either.
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